lct Posted January 1 Share #1 Posted January 1 Advertisement (gone after registration) This thread was inspired by a conversation i had recently with a LUF member who claimed that those who like the colors of M11 jpegs need to be tested for at least partial color blindness. This gave me the idea of posting a couple links to jpeg snaps of mine below. OoC jpegs converted to tif, WB and contrast adjusted with Photoshop. Please feel free to post yours, folks, even if you are as color-blind as i am 😄 • M11, Summicron 35/2 v1, f/5.6 • M11, Summicron 50/2 DR, f/5.6 • M11, Super-Angulon 21/3.4, f/8 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 1 Posted January 1 Hi lct, Take a look here Show your M11 jpegs to the color-blind and others. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jaapv Posted January 1 Share #2 Posted January 1 Sorry to disappoint you, but I like the colours, even being tested for colour blindness and as a daily user of a colour analyzer. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted January 1 Share #3 Posted January 1 My favorite color is purple. Unfortunately, I couldn't see much purple in these images. 😄 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almizilero Posted January 1 Share #4 Posted January 1 vor 3 Stunden schrieb lct: WB and contrast adjusted with Photoshop How much sense does this "test" make if the WB has been adjusted? It would actually be interesting to compare the original ooc JPGs with these adjusted images. I'll start. I don't have JPGs right now, but here are two sample exports from Lightroom, one with no adjustments, one with Auto-WB applied in Lightroom. You decide which is which Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418288-show-your-m11-jpegs-to-the-color-blind-and-others/?do=findComment&comment=5732553'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 1 Share #5 Posted January 1 Quite valuable. I would not consider any photograph of mine worth showing if I had not processed it to the best of my ability. Without it is nothing more than raw material, not worth considering a photograph. And -no adjustments? You mean adjusted by LRs default settings. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3D-Kraft.com Posted January 2 Share #6 Posted January 2 (edited) vor einer Stunde schrieb jaapv: And -no adjustments? You mean adjusted by LRs default settings. As far as I know, LR and ACR (Adobe Camera Raw) use white balance values determined (estimated) by the camera and stored together with the raw data. So at least, this is no "LR default". If LR shows you an image from the raw file with a purple tint (or orange, as was often the case with the M240), also the OOC-JPEG usually has such a tint. Of course, this can be fixed in LR / ACR / Photoshop later, but the effort you have to spend with each photo depends on how good the starting point delivered by the camera together with the profiles used by the raw processor was. I agree, that it does not make much sense for this thread, if you show photos where the WB was already adjusted. Edited January 2 by 3D-Kraft.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 2 Share #7 Posted January 2 Advertisement (gone after registration) 24 minutes ago, 3D-Kraft.com said: As far as I know, LR and ACR (Adobe Camera Raw) use white balance values determined (estimated) by the camera and stored together with the raw data. So at least, this is no "LR default". If LR shows you an image from the raw file with a purple tint (or orange, as was often the case with the M240), also the OOC-JPEG has such a tint. As far as I know they only do so in the “as shot” white balance setting and even then they are affected by the chosen import profile. And yes, the camera sends parameters with the DNG file, either embedded or in a side car file for the raw converter to interpret. So those are the standard adjustments to accept or alter as a new default by the user. The in-camera jpg uses the same instructions for the file to be converted in the camera. But you can still alter the LR defaults. I mostly dislike the factory choice. And as a disclosure: I think the landscape with the magenta mountains looks closer to reality and certainly more pleasing and in the street scene the corrected version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 2 Share #8 Posted January 2 Perhaps this thread should be merged with the M11 purplish tint thread, since it's the same subject, and will head in the same grumpy direction. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted January 2 Share #9 Posted January 2 (edited) vor 31 Minuten schrieb LocalHero1953: Perhaps this thread should be merged with the M11 purplish tint thread, since it's the same subject, and will head in the same grumpy direction. Right! I fear to see magenta everywhere. Just magenta. Magenta is the WORD OF THE YEAR 2024!!! Edited January 2 by M11 for me 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted January 2 Share #10 Posted January 2 If you actually took a reading it is not Magenta the dominant, it is blue and the other colors follow here are some out-of-camera JPG in magenta. Even the B&W has magenta nonsense! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! anyway, this is all with auto WB and since nothing is going to change this read maybe useless. Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! anyway, this is all with auto WB and since nothing is going to change this read maybe useless. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418288-show-your-m11-jpegs-to-the-color-blind-and-others/?do=findComment&comment=5732859'>More sharing options...
lct Posted January 2 Author Share #11 Posted January 2 Nice colors as seen by this partial color-blind and partial parisian 👏 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 2 Author Share #12 Posted January 2 (edited) 8 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said: Perhaps this thread should be merged with the M11 purplish tint thread, since it's the same subject, and will head in the same grumpy direction. Thanks no thanks. This thread is dedicated to jpegs and color-blind only 😉 More seriously, i would not like it to be polluted by Adobe colors, but i'm only the OP. Edited January 2 by lct Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted January 2 Share #13 Posted January 2 vor 17 Stunden schrieb Almizilero: one with no adjustments, one with Auto-WB applied in Lightroom. You decide which is which Well, concerning the street scene, I like the first one more than the second, as the first one seems more "naturally colored" to me. No idea whether the first one is the corrected one or not, but in line with my own experience, the second one has that slight overall magenta cast that is typical for M11 jpegs. Some people seem to be more susceptible to noticing that magenta cast than others, and I may be one of them, as I frequently note that slight magenta cast in my own results. Let me know which one is the Auto-WB corrected one. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 2 Author Share #14 Posted January 2 Another couple of jpeg snaps for color-blind. Happy holidays to all 🙂 • M11, Summicron 50/2 DR, f/5.6 • M11, Summicron 50/2 DR, f/5.6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marchyman Posted January 2 Share #15 Posted January 2 20 hours ago, Almizilero said: Lightroom, one with no adjustments As noted above, the profile used will affect the image. Here is an image shot with auto white balance. The only change in lightroom was to select the profile. Profiles used were: - My M11 profile created using a color passport - Adobe color - Adobe landscape - Adobe standard Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418288-show-your-m11-jpegs-to-the-color-blind-and-others/?do=findComment&comment=5732991'>More sharing options...
marchyman Posted January 2 Share #16 Posted January 2 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418288-show-your-m11-jpegs-to-the-color-blind-and-others/?do=findComment&comment=5732992'>More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted January 3 Share #17 Posted January 3 17 hours ago, wizard said: Well, concerning the street scene, I like the first one more than the second, as the first one seems more "naturally colored" to me. No idea whether the first one is the corrected one or not, but in line with my own experience, the second one has that slight overall magenta cast that is typical for M11 jpegs. Some people seem to be more susceptible to noticing that magenta cast than others, and I may be one of them, as I frequently note that slight magenta cast in my own results. Let me know which one is the Auto-WB corrected one. Keep in mind that if you are using a DNG in lightroom, ajudted or not showed colors edited by base Lightroom profile, there is original Leica colors in lightroom unless you have a camera JPG. Many of the Magenta complains are related to Lightrom and other program do a better job in creating M11 profiles. Try the same image in different application and you can be surprized by the results! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almizilero Posted January 3 Share #18 Posted January 3 Am 2.1.2025 um 00:52 schrieb jaapv: Quite valuable. I would not consider any photograph of mine worth showing if I had not processed it to the best of my ability. Without it is nothing more than raw material, not worth considering a photograph. And -no adjustments? You mean adjusted by LRs default settings. Quite right. That is why I think the discussion is rather moot, at least when it comes to RAW data. While I also find that the default settings deliver a somewhat purplish tint from the M11 under some circumstances, adjusting WB has always been among the first steps of precessing, no matter what camera. Since the OP asked for JPG files, I might have overstepped. I have no experience with JPGs from the M11. But since JPGs are (imho) for instant use with no processing, it would be interesting to see the unaltered files, as the OP stated that WB was adjusted in the samples. vor 20 Stunden schrieb wizard: Let me know which one is the Auto-WB corrected one. Street: 1 LR Autocorrected WB , 2 Auto-WB from camera Landscape: 1 Auto-WB from camera, 2 LR Autocorrected WB For what it's worth, as far as I remember, the landscape is closer to reality without autocorrect, the street with autocorrect applied. But I usually would adjust WB to my taste or memory anyways and not rely on Auto-anything. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 4 Author Share #19 Posted January 4 Another jpeg snap for color-blind and others. WB & contrast adjusted with PS as usual. Do not change anything to colors Mr Leica please 🙏 • M11, Elmarit 90/2.8 v1, f/8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 4 Author Share #20 Posted January 4 Another jpeg snap, same processing. • M11, Summicron 35/2 v1, f/2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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