Rangefinder Video

[setuporg]

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I’m rediscovering my M246 video, and it’s super fun.  The only B&W rangefinder video ever!

Since my kids are still young I found that having a video in an M is awesome.  I usually carry a Q2, or SL2, or something like that and it’s getting cumbersome.

What do people here think of the M video?  Is there any preference for a model that does it better, or is it all the same?  Eg any difference in M-E?

Edited November 28, 2024 by setuporg

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[jaapv]

 

I think that the M240 series is perfect as a travel camera just because it enables us to capture moving photographs.

[3D-Kraft.com]

vor 13 Stunden schrieb setuporg:

What do people here think of the M video?  Is there any preference for a model that does it better, or is it all the same?  Eg any difference in M-E?

Even in 2012, when the M240 appered, the video functionality was pretty far behind time. The M-E has no video.

When you are looking for usable full frame video cameras, take a look at Sony A7/A1 series. When it should be as compact as M, look at the A7CII or A7CR. If you do not need interchangeable lenses, also Leica Q series may be acceptible.

[LocalHero1953]

The removal of video was one of the reasons I abandoned digital M. It is well behind time if you’re looking for feature film or commercial functionality. As simple video quality for casual clips and occasional creative videos it was entirely suitable. It just depended on what your purpose was. Not all video is for Hollywood. 

Edited November 29, 2024 by LocalHero1953

[setuporg]

I need casual video of the kids and carrying an M.  I’ve realized that M246 video is great because it just blinks the dots in the OVF and you get a clip.  This is the most underrated way to get kids videos while shooting a rangefinder.

[tsleica]

I really like doing video w/a rangefinder..fast focus..quick framing..I know what my lenses will do and how they will look wide open or otherwise.

I think Leica made a real mistake here and lost sales by not including video in their current M line up.

I wont be buying another M until they stick it back in. (fat chance lol)

Then I will buy in a heartbeat.

I would buy the Pixii if it had video too.

Or if Sigma FP decided to put a rangefinder on top of the FP.

What are these idiots thinking...crippling their cameras like this.

Edited December 2, 2024 by tsleica
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[jaapv]

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No mistake - too many heat problems in the smaller body.

[LocalHero1953]

Sigma and others have put full frame video in bodies as small or smaller - but Sigma incorporates a passive heat sink. I can't see Leica doing that on the M, but I'd like to think they could find another way to reduce heat generation or increase dissipation.

[jaapv]

Yes - but those bodies were designed  new from the ground up and incorporated heat management through design and materials - they are not a 1954 body crammed chockfull with 2024 electronics - Leica even had to design an unique two-part motherboard. The "small" S5ii has forced ventilation for Video, for instance. 

[LocalHero1953]

The solution is to design it so it can take video and generate less heat. But I suspect nano chip design and processing is not Leica's forte.

[Ko.Fe.]

Video? They don't need to do extra if they sell at incredible price without.

If you need good video, get your skills up and editing software.

Just as with stills, good pictures, including motion are about content. If you need to use f1.0 for picturing bokeh, something is missing in the content creation.  

Decent phone with compatible gimble is the best tool for video. And drone is good option. 

Good video comes with good audio, btw.

So, you will need external audio recoding device with M, anyway. It is very unlikely to see M with audio jack. 

And do we really want AV clutter in M's menus? 

[LocalHero1953]

20 minutes ago, Ko.Fe. said:

And do we really want AV clutter in M's menus? 

Yes

[3D-Kraft.com]

vor 15 Stunden schrieb jaapv:

No mistake - too many heat problems in the smaller body.

https://cameradecision.com/compare-size/Leica-M11-vs-Sony-Alpha-A7CR

The A7CR has same sensor but with IBIS and a tiltable display on the back. The only thing they had to leave out (compared to the A7V) is 8K video.

Edited December 5, 2024 by 3D-Kraft.com

[jaapv]

5 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

The solution is to design it so it can take video and generate less heat. But I suspect nano chip design and processing is not Leica's forte.

And what would happen to the price? There is a point beyond which even Leica cannot go. Not to mention that the introduction of the M10 was delayed by a year because of the difficulty of cramming all the electronics into an M3 type body

[LocalHero1953]

7 hours ago, jaapv said:

And what would happen to the price? There is a point beyond which even Leica cannot go. Not to mention that the introduction of the M10 was delayed by a year because of the difficulty of cramming all the electronics into an M3 type body

Once you have liveview and an electronic shutter, including video must be a relatively trivial cost item (if you can handle the heat). Since the price of the Leica M is entirely in Leica's hands, and only partly related to cost of design or manufacture, rather than market positioning, I don't see that including it need add to the price*. I'm sure the removal of video was a result partly of heat dissipation worries and partly to reinforce the heritage image .

And I suspect the release date was down to the slower evolution of tech compared to the earlier days - the intervals between releases are M8 - 3yrs - M9 - 3 yrs - M240 - 4+ yrs - M10 - 5yrs - M11.

 

*Q. Did removing video from the M240 result in a price cut for the M10?

[Ko.Fe.]

8 hours ago, 3D-Kraft.com said:

https://cameradecision.com/compare-size/Leica-M11-vs-Sony-Alpha-A7CR

The A7CR has same sensor but with IBIS and a tiltable display on the back. The only thing they had to leave out (compared to the A7V) is 8K video.

Or S9. https://camerasize.com/compact/#922,885,ha,f  

[jaapv]

47 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

Once you have liveview and an electronic shutter, including video must be a relatively trivial cost item (if you can handle the heat). Since the price of the Leica M is entirely in Leica's hands, and only partly related to cost of design or manufacture, rather than market positioning, I don't see that including it need add to the price*. I'm sure the removal of video was a result partly of heat dissipation worries and partly to reinforce the heritage image .

And I suspect the release date was down to the slower evolution of tech compared to the earlier days - the intervals between releases are M8 - 3yrs - M9 - 3 yrs - M240 - 4+ yrs - M10 - 5yrs - M11.

 

*Q. Did removing video from the M240 result in a price cut for the M10?

You mean the heritage image they attempted to implement in the M11? We all know that it is overburdened with technology to the very limit in an attempt to attract a new generation of buyers. 

[LocalHero1953]

9 minutes ago, jaapv said:

You mean the heritage image they attempted to implement in the M11? We all know that it is overburdened with technology to the very limit in an attempt to attract a new generation of buyers. 

Except video, IBIS......those things a new generation might actually expect?

Don't get me wrong - I'm not asking Leica to add video, IBIS etc to the M series. Quite obviously I'm not in the target market for the digital M, which is Leica's choice based on where they can best sell cameras - they understand this better than me. I'm OK with the Q3 43, SL2-S and BMCC6K. What I want is not available in the M, but I keep an eye on what's happening with the M just in case its intended market shifts to include me again.

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[jaapv]

I’m happy with my M9 cameras, sold the M240 and have no inclination to  buy the newer versions.  For all modermisms there is the SL series and other brands. But I do understand that Leica needs to sell and thus offer “upgraded “ models. 

[setuporg]

On 12/4/2024 at 7:09 PM, Ko.Fe. said:

So, you will need 

external audio recoding device with M, anyway. It is very unlikely to see M with audio jack. 

There is exactly that accessory for stereo audio recording fitting the M240 top slot.