M11 build in memory

[geesbert]

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Although I have my M11 now for a long time, I never bothered to use the build in memory. Having a Macbook with a card slot and usually liking to spread my pictures over a few cards I never even considered it. Yesterday I was playing around with the menues and somehow accidentally switched the storage to internal. Now today coming back from an important shoot with about four hundred frames I nearly had a heart attack finding not a single picture on my card although I've seen them on my camera, but then I remembered the internal memory. 

I am currently spending more than half an hour downloading from the camera with one of my best USBc cables and it still is going on,  the connection broke off about 5 times yet and it is painfully slow. 

On the other side with my Hasselblad 907x100c I stopped using cards altogether because the internal memory is so blazingly fast and it works perfectly. 

how can that be? Did Leica cheap out on the speed of memory or on the USB interface? Is anyone really using this on a daily basis? just curious...

[Jeff S]

Bundled USB to Lightning cable, etc, as described in the following?

https://www.reddotforum.com/content/2022/01/leica-m11-review-the-ultimate-digital-m/#:~:text=A word of caution here,added sooner rather than later.
 

Jeff

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1 hour ago, geesbert said:

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I am currently spending more than half an hour downloading from the camera with one of my best USBc cables and it still is going on,  the connection broke off about 5 times yet and it is painfully slow. 

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An easier way may be to just copy the internal images to an SD Card, and then import as you normally would.

[fenykepesz]

in my case, @geesbert , downloading data from my m11d works pretty well and reasonably fast enough using the PTP mode and a bread-and-butter USB-C cable.  it's somewhat slower for DNGs read from the SD card, and a bit faster if read from the internal memory.  my old lnx computer only offers simple USB-2 and USB-3.0 ports.  PTP is mounted with jmtpfs.  but i admit i never had to transfer 400 60mp-DNGs...

vor 2 Stunden schrieb geesbert:

connection broke off

now regarding "connection broke off" i have experienced that once (just once) that the camera went asleep presumabely after its timeout period set to 2min - so these days it doesn't do that anymore for whatever unexplainable reason, running under FW:v2.1.3

[setuporg]

I have an L (or Г) shaped USB-3 cable attached to the end of a Thunderbolt chain to my Mac, and it’s reasonably fast import.  It is not as fast as a card.  But it works every time.  Image Capture is reliable to see, import, and delete shots from M11-P/D for me.

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[marchyman]

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1 hour ago, setuporg said:

I have an L (or Г) shaped USB-3 cable attached to the end of a Thunderbolt chain to my Mac

Yes.  I think people get confused because they don't know the difference between USB C and USB 3.  USB A, B, C, etc describes the physical connector.  USB 2, 3, 3.2, 4, etc describes the data formats and speed.  You can have a USB C connector that is rated at USB 2 speeds.  That was fast in 2000 when the 2.0 standard was released.  Today, not so much.

Today I look for USB-C/USB-3.2 (gen 2x2) for the cables I use to transfer data.  At this time I don't have any device that can use the higher speeds of USB-4. I do have some USB-C/USB-2.0 cables that are used only for charging.  A USB-C/USB-3.2 (gen 2x2) cable is over kill for the M11.

USB-4 (2019): 40 GB/sec
USB-3.2 (2017): 20 GB/sec (gen 2x2)
USB-3.1 (2013): 10 GB/sec (gen 2, first to support the USB-C connector) 
USB-3.0 (2008): 5 GB/sec
USB-2.0 (2000): 480 MB/sec
USB-1.1 (1998): 1.5 MB/sec or 12 MB/sec

Both ends of a connection must support the same protocol to get the higher speeds.  The M11 supports USB 3.1 Gen 1.  Gen 1 means "I'm going to call this 3.1 or 3.2 because marketing but the speeds are actually the same as USB 3.0".  If you want/need higher speed cables you need to look for "gen 2 or gen 2x2".  Industry doesn't make it easy.

Edited October 17, 2024 by marchyman

[Photoworks]

On 10/17/2024 at 2:44 PM, marchyman said:

Yes.  I think people get confused because they don't know the difference between USB C and USB 3.  USB A, B, C, etc describes the physical connector.  USB 2, 3, 3.2, 4, etc describes the data formats and speed.  You can have a USB C connector that is rated at USB 2 speeds.  That was fast in 2000 when the 2.0 standard was released.  Today, not so much.

Today I look for USB-C/USB-3.2 (gen 2x2) for the cables I use to transfer data.  At this time I don't have any device that can use the higher speeds of USB-4. I do have some USB-C/USB-2.0 cables that are used only for charging.  A USB-C/USB-3.2 (gen 2x2) cable is over kill for the M11.

USB-4 (2019): 40 GB/sec
USB-3.2 (2017): 20 GB/sec (gen 2x2)
USB-3.1 (2013): 10 GB/sec (gen 2, first to support the USB-C connector) 
USB-3.0 (2008): 5 GB/sec
USB-2.0 (2000): 480 MB/sec
USB-1.1 (1998): 1.5 MB/sec or 12 MB/sec

Both ends of a connection must support the same protocol to get the higher speeds.  The M11 supports USB 3.1 Gen 1.  Gen 1 means "I'm going to call this 3.1 or 3.2 because marketing but the speeds are actually the same as USB 3.0".  If you want/need higher speed cables you need to look for "gen 2 or gen 2x2".  Industry doesn't make it easy.

On top of that is you are using a MAC, you are limited at 10 GB/sec, because they promote thunderbolt connections.

[username]

1 hour ago, Photoworks said:

you are limited at 10 GB/sec

..which is plenty, to be fair 🙂

[setuporg]

M11 has no build in memory.  But it does have some built in memory.

[geesbert]

 

20 hours ago, Photoworks said:

On top of that is you are using a MAC, you are limited at 10 GB/sec, because they promote thunderbolt connections.

but my x2d pushes those 100MP (220MB each!) files into my Mac at astonishing speed! 

 

[geesbert]

9 hours ago, setuporg said:

M11 has no build in memory.  But it does have some built in memory.

Yawn!

[Velo-city]

On 10/23/2024 at 10:06 AM, geesbert said:

 

but my x2d pushes those 100MP (220MB each!) files into my Mac at astonishing speed! 

 

I’m surprised you haven’t been shot down or belittled for expecting better from Leica and their flagship £8k camera body.  

No M11 experience yet but was surprised to see posted above it’s not a faster connection for a current model. Not sure what’s on the Q3 43, but that also copies pretty slowly to my M3 MacBook Pro relative to other devices. Was quite surprised. Usually take the cards out and copy direct anyway but I couldn’t at that point thanks to the poor case design (since returned) that didn’t allow access to SD card.