Question regarding M6 frame counter

[miq.maq]

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Hi

I am the proud owner of a new M6 and love it so far. 

But one thing bothers me and I wanted to ask for the advice of the professionals: The “wheel of the frame counter” doesn't seem to be centered somehow. At the very beginning (frame 0) there is a small gap between the small arrow and the wheel with the numbers. If I then turn further, the gap disappears around frame 15 and then reappears towards the end of the film. Seems as if the wheel is not centered. And that bothers me with such an expensive precision device. If I ask google, I find some pictures where you can see a clear distance between the wheel with the numbers and the index arrow. Whats the situation on your M6 oder MP cameras? Is it normal for the wheel to oscillate a little? Or am I not being too picky? The Picture is not from my camera - just an example from the internet. 

Thanks!

Michael 

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[a.noctilux]

17 hours ago, miq.maq said:

I am the proud owner of a new M6 and love it so far

Use it without fear.

Precision device DO have some tolerances.

How about some CLA in the past ?

Human made device always has "kind of" imperfection.

That means only robots can make too "perfect" device.

Over time you will see other "flaws" serious or minor concerning image producing.

[miq.maq]

Thanks for your reply!

No, no CLA in the past - It's a brand new M6 🙂

I was just wondering if this is a common "issue" that others have seen on their own M6 or MP Cameras?

Yeah, I guess some "imperfections" are also to be expected on cameras in this price range. The first thing iI noticed when i took out of the box was, that the film door in the back makes a tiny bit of noise (has a tiny bit of play) when handed / pressed. then i found out that this seems to be the case with many (most?) m6 cameras 🙂

Best

[lexffm]

Is it an "original" M6 or the one from 2022 that was reissued? If so, you can complain to Leica. Even if it probably has no influence on anything, you always look there immediately and get annoyed...

[nitroplait]

4 hours ago, miq.maq said:

 

It's a brand new M6 🙂

 

If brand new and bothers you, use your warranty or return privilege.
For the price you paid you have the right to set your expectations high. It doesn’t really matter if it would or wouldn’t bother others.

[miq.maq]

Not sure what a return priviledge ist. I am based in the EU. 

I think it's not a fault, i was just wondering if people have seen something similar on their M6 cameras?

[69xchange]

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My brand new M-A is the same. The arrow isn’t perfectly aligned at certain numbers and sometimes even in between. 

[miq.maq]

And does it drive you crazy or do you manage not to care 🙂 

can you post a picture?

[nitroplait]

4 hours ago, Al Brown said:

I am not sure a working analogue frame counter is covered under warranty, especially not for misalignment. And in EU, there is no automatic return privilege like in the US (no idea where OP is from).

A cosmetic flaw is as good a reason as any to complain, especially when the product is priced and marketed in the vanity/luxury product segment claiming perfection to be an inherent property.

There is no automatic return privilege in the US to my knowledge.
There is a two week return privilege in the EU, secured by consumer law, if purchased online.

Businesses in both US and EU may give additional privileges.

I don’t know under which conditions OP purchased his camera, but it obviously doesn’t live up to expectations, thus my advice to have seller remedy the problem by repair or refund.

If nothing else, the seller will know they failed to satisfy the customer’s expectations.

 

[earleygallery]

On 10/7/2024 at 5:28 PM, miq.maq said:

Hi

I am the proud owner of a new M6 and love it so far. 

But one thing bothers me...........

Michael 

 

It bothers you. It's a new camera. Return it.

[miq.maq]

Thanks for all the replies. Yes, I am aware of the return priviledge in the EU for online purchases. But iI bought it offline 🙂

With regards to a return. If it's a "feature" and not a fault, meaning all other cameras would show the same tolerances, a return would not get me anywhere. That is why I asked for your experiences / how it looks on your cameras. Thanks for your advice!

[TomB_tx]

Having used a ton of film cameras over 60 years it doesn't look like a fault to me. You can easily see what number it is indicating. I've had cameras where the counter is about as accurate as a gas gauge, and manual-reset counters that I forget to reset. When you get to the end of a roll you will know it's time to reload - kind of like a firearm.

[miq.maq]

Thanks TomB! 

I guess the comparsion to a firearm can only come from a Texan 🙂

 

[nitroplait]

3 hours ago, miq.maq said:

Thanks for all the replies. Yes, I am aware of the return priviledge in the EU for online purchases. But iI bought it offline 🙂

If you bought it in a physical Leica shop, consider going back. Let them show you their other M6 samples - if they differ from yours, then make your claim that yours is different and not what you expected , if they are not different from yours, then that may be how the  they are constructed now.

Below is an example of an M6 classic from the 90’s (left) and an M4 from the 70’s (right) neither of which changes distance between wheel and arrow as you forward the film.

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[Jean-Michel]

Post caught my eye. I no longer have any film Ms, but owned a number of them – M3, 4, and 6; never bothered much about frame counters!

If miq.maq's camera is a brand new M6 as he indicates it is (post number 3) and the brand new camera is the one he shows in his original post, then he would have a real issue with the cosmetics of a brand new M6, unlesss the camera a special à la carte edition "Looking well used" 😀

[miq.maq]

As indicated in my first post, the picture I posted is NOT of my brand new M6. It was a random picture from the internet to illustrate my point. for lack of a digital camera i could not take a picture of my analog camera

[miq.maq]

Issue resolved, thanks! On my second visit in the shop they acknowledged that my counter indeed had a problem. Another M6 was not in stock so I switched to an MP - very happy now!