BernardC Posted January 16 Share #381 Posted January 16 Advertisement (gone after registration) 8 minutes ago, sebas_ said: I would love to have seen the manual focus confirmation, which Nikon has added to its Zf camera. I think it is brilliant, much better than just the focus peaking. Focus peaking was invented for news reporters using standard-definition video cameras. It's "close enough," but not something you should use for high-precision. I personally find that the SL's excellent EVF beats any focus overlay in the viewfinder. You can always zoom-in to confirm, but I only do that to check if my eyes are getting tired. I realize that other photographers have vision particularities that make overlays more precise than what they see in the viewfinder. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hansvons Posted January 16 Share #382 Posted January 16 7 minutes ago, robb said: some pluses but nothing I really need at the moment. Maybe next gen. Agreed. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted January 16 Share #383 Posted January 16 5 hours ago, helged said: Waiting for @jonoslack & co to enter the scene(s)... 😉 Hi There Inexcusably entertainment got in the way! But I’ll be doing a writeup in the next day or so. Sorry for the delay! 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebas_ Posted January 16 Share #384 Posted January 16 (edited) vor 17 Minuten schrieb BernardC: Focus peaking was invented for news reporters using standard-definition video cameras. It's "close enough," but not something you should use for high-precision. I personally find that the SL's excellent EVF beats any focus overlay in the viewfinder. You can always zoom-in to confirm, but I only do that to check if my eyes are getting tired. I realize that other photographers have vision particularities that make overlays more precise than what they see in the viewfinder. Yes, Focus peaking is also highly subjective to the scene and the contrast involved. The zoom-in feature for me is the way to go, when the camera is locked up on a tripod or a static scene, but it kicks me out when I want a more dynamic shooting style. That is the reason why I really like Nikon's approach, it is basically like tracking AF confirmation, just the user still manually focus. So I get subject/eye-tracking but the confirmation turns green, when the area is in focus, no need to have peaking, no need to zoom in. Since Nikon has managed to get it to work, I was almost sure that Leica will follow suit, as they are also marketing the SL line for M-lens usage. Edited January 16 by sebas_ 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted January 16 Share #385 Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, sebas_ said: That is the reason why I really like Nikon's approach, it is basically like tracking AF confirmation, just the user still manually focus. So I get subject/eye-tracking but the confirmation turns green, when the area is in focus, no need to have peaking, no need to zoom in. Nikon's approach is similar to peaking. They use the nearest PDAF sensor to estimate correct focus. It looks reassuring, but I would still zoom-in to be sure. Besides, I find that bright colourful overlay very distracting, and it obscures the part of the frame that I want to look at. At that point you may as well use AF. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genoweffa Posted January 16 Share #386 Posted January 16 (edited) 37 minutes ago, sebas_ said: I would love to have seen the manual focus confirmation, which Nikon has added to its Zf camera. I think it is brilliant, much better than just the focus peaking. Since Leica has all the M mount glass and the 6bit coded M to L adapter, I cannot grasp my head around, why they do not implement something like that. Nikon's solution works with a coded TT-artisan adapter + M-lenses, so the camera only gets the focal length (set on a wheel on the adapter) nothing else. So the camera has the same information as with the Leica M to L adapter on an SL series camera. I really thought that some advanced focussing add would come to the SL3 or SL3-S (and of course the M line + visoflex) yes...I always wondered why there hadn't been one my 5d from ~20y ago had it... Edited January 16 by Genoweffa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted January 16 Share #387 Posted January 16 Advertisement (gone after registration) 5 minutes ago, Genoweffa said: my 5d from ~20y ago had it... The S cameras (S2, S-006, S-007, S3) have it. Contax had this feature in the RX (1994). One positive aspect of those SLRs is that the focus confirmation was a discreet icon outside of the image area. It's a neat feature to get you in the ballpark, especially when it also tells you the direction of focus (which would be wrong on Nikon, since their focus rings turn in the other direction), but it isn't as accurate as a magnified view. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Warwick Posted January 16 Share #388 Posted January 16 3 hours ago, LBJ2 said: Reading the SL3-s, 48- and 96-MP multi-shot modes, reminds me the 60MP SL3 still doesn't have multi-shot even after the most recent firmware update. Is there some known reason why no multi-shot in the SL3, or are most just waiting for it to be added at some unknown point in the future? I don’t know, but I’d really like to see it added via firmware in the SL3, and then I will ditch my 100mp medium format and go back to Leica mirrorless. For landscapes, I would think multishot in the SL3 could be amazing 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD_50 Posted January 17 Share #389 Posted January 17 (edited) I’ve been waiting to see how much improvement was made in AF. It’s still unclear to me with many reporting it’s “better” while others have clarified it’s still well behind Canon, Nikon, and Sony. I don’t have any S5ii experience to compare, but videos reflect that camera being well behind those three. Assuming it’s enough of an improvement for me (TBD), has anyone read/heard/confirmed with Leica whether the AF improvements will come to the SL3? I presume the slower sensor readout could affect AF, perhaps there are other reasons for it to stay behind? I love the idea of the handheld multi-shot. If the AF is good enough for me, and if it won’t come to the SL3, I may be willing to go with the SL3-S, knowing the multi-shot could potentially satisfy some of my want for increased resolution. I’m very close to moving to a Z9 for my all-purpose camera because I want the AF improvement and the increased resolution. I’ve a long history with Nikon (before I got into Leica M, SL, and SL2-S) so the ergonomics/UI/haptics are familiar and acceptable (though less attractive than the SL system for me). I’ve found Nikon’s bests lenses to be excellent as well. If Panasonic and Leica had surpassed the AF capability of the big three, I bet the sales of the SL system would increase dramatically. It’s really a big drawback when comparing at similar price points. Size, weight, and cost are also important but the big three are moving closer to Leica in size, weight, price, and IQ at their high end. I’d love to stay in the SL system after a full 10 years, but I’m not wanting to work with three systems (M, SL, Nikon) to cover all my needs. Edited January 17 by LD_50 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptSlevin Posted January 17 Share #390 Posted January 17 42 minutes ago, LD_50 said: I’ve been waiting to see how much improvement was made in AF. It’s still unclear to me with many reporting it’s “better” while others have clarified it’s still well behind Canon, Nikon, and Sony. I don’t have any S5ii experience to compare, but videos reflect that camera being well behind those three. Assuming it’s enough of an improvement for me (TBD), has anyone read/heard/confirmed with Leica whether the AF improvements will come to the SL3? I presume the slower sensor readout could affect AF, perhaps there are other reasons for it to stay behind? I love the idea of the handheld multi-shot. If the AF is good enough for me, and if it won’t come to the SL3, I may be willing to go with the SL3-S, knowing the multi-shot could potentially satisfy some of my want for increased resolution. I’m very close to moving to a Z9 for my all-purpose camera because I want the AF improvement and the increased resolution. I’ve a long history with Nikon (before I got into Leica M, SL, and SL2-S) so the ergonomics/UI/haptics are familiar and acceptable (though less attractive than the SL system for me). I’ve found Nikon’s bests lenses to be excellent as well. If Panasonic and Leica had surpassed the AF capability of the big three, I bet the sales of the SL system would increase dramatically. It’s really a big drawback when comparing at similar price points. Size, weight, and cost are also important but the big three are moving closer to Leica in size, weight, price, and IQ at their high end. I’d love to stay in the SL system after a full 10 years, but I’m not wanting to work with three systems (M, SL, Nikon) to cover all my needs. SL3 AF will never be as fast as SL3S, because of the sensor size (60mp takes more time to scan than 24mp). The AF of Sl3S is worse or the same as LUMIX S5II, so it is what it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot Harper Posted January 17 Share #391 Posted January 17 8 hours ago, jpark114 said: Well SL2-s 2995 BH deal is gone just now. The price tag really was attractive given minute improvement. There are tons of brand new out there, same deal https://camerawest.com/products/leica-sl2-s-camera-only-accessories?variant=49342609817915 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot Harper Posted January 17 Share #392 Posted January 17 8 hours ago, ALScott said: I have essentially an "open box" to get rid of. PM me. The one you just got from Camerawest? So quick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD_50 Posted January 17 Share #393 Posted January 17 50 minutes ago, CptSlevin said: SL3 AF will never be as fast as SL3S, because of the sensor size (60mp takes more time to scan than 24mp). The AF of Sl3S is worse or the same as LUMIX S5II, so it is what it is. Z9, R5, and A1 are all faster with higher resolution sensors. Many options are available with higher speed at similar resolution. I mentioned readout speed may be a factor but it is not resolution dependent. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD_50 Posted January 17 Share #394 Posted January 17 One detail I had not noticed until now. Leica lists the SL3-S as having 315 CDAF “AF metering fields” along with 779 PDAF. The SL3 is listed at 315 without calling out the CDAF and PDAF separately. SL2-S is listed at only 225 CDAF points. S5ii is also listed at 779 PDAF points, further pointing to this being the same sensor. Has anyone seen confirmation that the SL3-S actually has more PDAF points than the SL3? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 17 Share #395 Posted January 17 3 minutes ago, LD_50 said: One detail I had not noticed until now. Leica lists the SL3-S as having 315 CDAF “AF metering fields” along with 779 PDAF. The SL3 is listed at 315 without calling out the CDAF and PDAF separately. SL2-S is listed at only 225 CDAF points. S5ii is also listed at 779 PDAF points, further pointing to this being the same sensor. Has anyone seen confirmation that the SL3-S actually has more PDAF points than the SL3? The SL3 spec states that there are 315 AF metering fields. DPR lists the number of focus points as 315. No differentiation is made between CDAF and PDAF focus points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD_50 Posted January 17 Share #396 Posted January 17 3 minutes ago, SrMi said: The SL3 spec states that there are 315 AF metering fields. DPR lists the number of focus points as 315. No differentiation is made between CDAF and PDAF focus points. You repeated my post. My question is whether the omitted CDAF and PDAF counts on the SL3 are known and how they compare to SL3-S. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 17 Share #397 Posted January 17 9 minutes ago, LD_50 said: You repeated my post. My question is whether the omitted CDAF and PDAF counts on the SL3 are known and how they compare to SL3-S. As I wrote, I could not find any disambiguation between CDAF and PDAF points of SL3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted January 17 Share #398 Posted January 17 45 minutes ago, LD_50 said: Has anyone seen confirmation that the SL3-S actually has more PDAF points than the SL3? yes, they mentioned in the presentation today that it is more due to the sensor 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyAV Posted January 17 Share #399 Posted January 17 I am extremely lucky to be the 1st owner of commercially available Leica SL3-S serial 999. Sharing my experiences of this exceedingly amazing Hybrid wonder specifically video capabilities, insanely agile/accurate AF, usable Extreme High ISO etc. As a user of SL3 & SL2-S, SL3-S is a clear improvements over what the two SL siblings started. My SL3-S Usage Tests published here: 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted January 17 Share #400 Posted January 17 Another comparison 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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