ALScott Posted January 12 Share #181 Posted January 12 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, Photoworks said: there are little differences to expect: exterior and buttons layout, sensor not optimized for M lenses, and Menu options. The exterior buttons matching the SL3 would be a BIG change to me, for the better. Having them on the left side like SL2 is not great when you have an SL3. Plus, you can do a lot more with with just your right hand on the SL3 Not to argue or saying you are wrong but why would they ever use a sensor in any SL that is optimized for M lenses? If you want that just buy an M series camera, correct? Plus, with it not being optimized for M lenses it gives you multiple looks with one M lens. Use it on an M for one look and the SL for another which seems to be desirable in a lot of the posts above. Less, or different, sharpness, IQ, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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helged Posted January 12 Share #182 Posted January 12 8 minutes ago, LBJ2 said: Anybody guessing a 44MP BSI sensor for the SL3-S? E.g., IMX366AJK 😉 Better AFc, higher fps, short sensor write out time, whatever sensor, and I am in. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted January 12 Share #183 Posted January 12 5 minutes ago, ALScott said: The exterior buttons matching the SL3 would be a BIG change to me, for the better. Having them on the left side like SL2 is not great when you have an SL3. Plus, you can do a lot more with with just your right hand on the SL3 Not to argue or saying you are wrong but why would they ever use a sensor in any SL that is optimized for M lenses? If you want that just buy an M series camera, correct? Plus, with it not being optimized for M lenses it gives you multiple looks with one M lens. Use it on an M for one look and the SL for another which seems to be desirable in a lot of the posts above. Less, or different, sharpness, IQ, etc. if you follow the preview posts, I was replaying the prediction of the upcoming Panasonic camera 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBJ2 Posted January 12 Share #184 Posted January 12 (edited) 21 minutes ago, helged said: Better AFc, higher fps, short sensor write out time, whatever sensor, and I am in. ✅, ✅, and ✅ in agreement! Less optimistic for significant improvements in sensor scan speed but hopeful. Edited January 12 by LBJ2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted January 12 Share #185 Posted January 12 35 minutes ago, SrMi said: Sharpness and resolution are different things and pretty much unrelated. Yes and no. With sharpness I meant the amount of details visible. Couldn’t find the correct word. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 12 Share #186 Posted January 12 1 minute ago, Olaf_ZG said: Yes and no. With sharpness I meant the amount of details visible. Couldn’t find the correct word. Yes, the amount of detail visible is related to resolution but not to sharpness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted January 12 Share #187 Posted January 12 Advertisement (gone after registration) 5 minutes ago, SrMi said: Yes, the amount of detail visible is related to resolution but not to sharpness. And this sometimes makes it feel sharper… especially for non photographers… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 12 Share #188 Posted January 12 I do not understand the resolution-angst going around in this forum. Presently, I am happy shooting with 20MP m43 sensors, but I am not afraid of using 100MP sensors. It is like people are worried that more data from the sensor will suck the soul out of a photograph or even the soul of the photographer him/herself. We should consider the final output and how much higher resolution affects the print and/or shared JPEG. I assume most do not consider what they see in the post-processor at 200% view as the final product. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 12 Share #189 Posted January 12 1 minute ago, Olaf_ZG said: And this sometimes makes it feel sharper… especially for non photographers… You can always reduce detail and sharpness, but not vice versa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted January 12 Share #190 Posted January 12 8 minutes ago, SrMi said: I do not understand the resolution-angst going around in this forum. Presently, I am happy shooting with 20MP m43 sensors, but I am not afraid of using 100MP sensors. It is like people are worried that more data from the sensor will suck the soul out of a photograph or even the soul of the photographer him/herself. We should consider the final output and how much higher resolution affects the print and/or shared JPEG. I assume most do not consider what they see in the post-processor at 200% view as the final product. Not sure if it is also aimed to me. I don’t have angst. The 60mp sensor delivers great, but so does the sensor from the sl2s and the m9m. To me, sensors are slowly becoming like film… you had the gritty 3200iso films as well as the grain less 50pan… but, as with film, it depends on the subject. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 12 Share #191 Posted January 12 34 minutes ago, Olaf_ZG said: Not sure if it is also aimed to me. I don’t have angst. The 60mp sensor delivers great, but so does the sensor from the sl2s and the m9m. Yes. That is the great thing about Leica cameras. Even the old digital cameras produce great results. I feel that adding "nostalgia" to my images is best accomplished by using vintage lenses, not vintage cameras. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 12 Share #192 Posted January 12 You are right. Sensor resolution is but one factor of many in the whole chain of creating an image in the brain of the viewer. Yes, it supplies more data, but how much of those data is superfluous? Yes there is more detail but it tells us nothing about the quality or even relevance of that detail. Subject, lighting, contrast, focus, lens, exposure , the pipeline from the silicon bit of the sensor to DNG, postprocessing, output reduction, print or monitor, eye and brain processing, this all together makes a photograph I suspect that for many photographs resolution is but a minor aspect. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted January 13 Share #193 Posted January 13 (edited) Re rolling shutter speed of various cameras, I saw the following overview recently. For comparison, Leica SL3 has a rolling shutter speed of about 100 ms; Lumix S5II is about 20 ms. For subjects like running dogs (using the electronic shutter), 15 ms works fine (based on own experience with Canon R5), whereas the readout time of SL3 of 100 ms is too slow. Readout speeds of 10 ms or less are considered excellent (but still on the slow side for the rapidly moving wings of hummingbirds etc.). Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited January 13 by helged 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/413145-leica-sl3-s-incoming/?do=findComment&comment=5738618'>More sharing options...
BernardC Posted January 13 Share #194 Posted January 13 4 hours ago, helged said: For comparison, Leica SL3 has a rolling shutter speed of about 100 ms; Strange that it's not the exact same value as the A7Riv, which presumably uses the same basic sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted January 13 Share #195 Posted January 13 7 minutes ago, BernardC said: Strange that it's not the exact same value as the A7Riv, which presumably uses the same basic sensor. I don't know - but slow it is... In the link below, A7R4 is given by 100 ms https://horshack-dpreview.github.io/RollingShutter/ Some discussions here https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1851654/0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted January 13 Share #196 Posted January 13 (edited) SL3-S with the sensor of SL2-S? If so, the rolling shutter is 22.5 ms https://www.l-rumors.com/leica-sl3-s-has-same-sl2-s-sensor/ Edited January 13 by helged Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 13 Share #197 Posted January 13 32 minutes ago, BernardC said: Strange that it's not the exact same value as the A7Riv, which presumably uses the same basic sensor. Not that strange - the readout of a sensor is not just created by the sensor as such; there is a complex digital structure that processes the signal from the pixels. The computing power of the pre-processor, ADCs, DSP (CPU, etc.) is a determining factor. https://exclusivearchitecture.com/03-technical-articles-DSLR-06-signal-processing.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBJ2 Posted January 13 Share #198 Posted January 13 (edited) https://www.l-rumors.com/leica-sl3-s-has-same-sl2-s-sensor/ @helged you beat me to it! Edited January 13 by LBJ2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 13 Share #199 Posted January 13 41 minutes ago, BernardC said: Strange that it's not the exact same value as the A7Riv, which presumably uses the same basic sensor. By all known measurements (Horshack, Kasson), a7riv in 14 bit mode has a readout of 100ms, same as SL3. 12-bit mode has faster readout (full sensor readout). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted January 13 Share #200 Posted January 13 Just now, SrMi said: By all known measurements (Horshack, Kasson), a7riv in 14 bit mode has a readout of 100ms, same as SL3. 12-bit mode has faster readout (full sensor readout). So Sony Micro is the weak link in this case? Let's hope they can come-up with something significantly better for the next high-res sensor (S4 this year or next?). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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