Leica SL3-S Incoming?

[SrMi]

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42 minutes ago, JohnathanLovm said:

Because I want flash sync all shutter without using large strobe light to tank HSS. 

Yes, but abandoning more than 1.5 stops in DR at base ISO may not be a trade-off that most owners would accept. 

 

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[RustyBug]

On 11/21/2024 at 9:54 AM, SrMi said:

Yes, but abandoning more than 1.5 stops in DR at base ISO may not be a trade-off that most owners would accept. 

 

This ^

I'd be game for a few more MP than 24.  Upwards of 40 (think M10M / M10R) would be plenty.  32-36 would probably be a "sweet spot".  If you think about the SL3 binning down to 36 / 18 ... 32-36 seems about right for a place to bump the SL3-S, without turning it into an SL3.

Of course, then you'd get folks that say the 36MP of an SL3-S would be "robbing" from the feature of the SL3. 😉   

Edited December 13, 2024 by RustyBug

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5 hours ago, RustyBug said:

This ^

I'd be game for a few more MP than 24.  Upwards of 40 (think M10M / M10R) would be plenty.  32-36 would probably be a "sweet spot".  If you think about the SL3 binning down to 36 / 18 ... 32-36 seems about right for a place to bump the SL3-S, without turning it into an SL3.

Of course, then you'd get folks that say the 36MP of an SL3-S would be "robbing" from the feature of the SL3. 😉   

I would think (likely biased by my wish...) that SLx-S is mostly about responsiveness (like fps and continuous AF) and low light performance, to lesser extent about MP. The latter being taken care of by SLx.

[jaapv]

9 hours ago, RustyBug said:

This ^

I'd be game for a few more MP than 24.  Upwards of 40 (think M10M / M10R) would be plenty.  32-36 would probably be a "sweet spot".  If you think about the SL3 binning down to 36 / 18 ... 32-36 seems about right for a place to bump the SL3-S, without turning it into an SL3.

Of course, then you'd get folks that say the 36MP of an SL3-S would be "robbing" from the feature of the SL3. 😉   

In practice the resolution gain from 24 to 36 would be minimal. To see a real difference one would need at least to double the resolution. Leica may do so anyway for marketing reasons but it would be far more important to make a step forward in sensor technology like DR, noise performance, crosstalk and general precision. 
 

The S is more video-oriented whilst offering a good stills result as well. There is as far as I can see little interest in high resolution for video purposes. 

[simon_hsn]

IMHO, 24 MP makes much more sense for the SL3-S line. There needs to be some clear distinction to the SL3 that already serves everyone in need for higher MP. 24MP on other hand would be far better suited for video performance (6k, 6k downsampled to 4k, etc.) than a camera with higher resolution. 

[hdmesa]

2 hours ago, simon_hsn said:

IMHO, 24 MP makes much more sense for the SL3-S line. There needs to be some clear distinction to the SL3 that already serves everyone in need for higher MP. 24MP on other hand would be far better suited for video performance (6k, 6k downsampled to 4k, etc.) than a camera with higher resolution. 

Yup, it's either 24mp and 6K or ~50mp and 8K. So either they stay with 24mp or they make a new SL3 flagship priced above the current SL3 that uses the A1 sensor. Or they make both and have three SL3 models.

[Cronilux]

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I could see something like the 33mp sensor from the A7IV in the SL3-S. it has great low light, amazing video and 4K 60p is more than enough. 

[Matthias K]

…kann jemand abschätzen wie sich der neue Hybrid Af nach dem Update benimmt gehts schon in Richtung Industriestandort?währe für mich Sony  Alpha 93 oder Alpha A12es gibt ja noch billige Sl 2 Bestände…das wäre Überlegung wert jetzt doch den Deal zu machen…was meint ihr?

[LocalHero1953]

5 minutes ago, Matthias K said:

…kann jemand abschätzen wie sich der neue Hybrid Af nach dem Update benimmt gehts schon in Richtung Industriestandort?währe für mich Sony  Alpha 93 oder Alpha A12es gibt ja noch billige Sl 2 Bestände…das wäre Überlegung wert jetzt doch den Deal zu machen…was meint ihr?

You've posted in the international part of the forum. I know we can all use a translate function, but I'd rather not do that for casual reading. You'll likely get more replies in English as well

[simon_hsn]

23 hours ago, Cronilux said:

I could see something like the 33mp sensor from the A7IV in the SL3-S. it has great low light, amazing video and 4K 60p is more than enough. 

Well, I guess, the SL3 works for you then. As for the SL3-S 4k 60p is what the SL2-S already provides, so this might not be a reason for people to upgrade.
I would like to see 4k up to 120p in 10 Bit 4.2.2. without crop. That is something Leica is missing right now in their offering and some people need/want it.

[hansvons]

21 hours ago, Matthias K said:

…kann jemand abschätzen wie sich der neue Hybrid Af nach dem Update benimmt gehts schon in Richtung Industriestandort?währe für mich Sony  Alpha 93 oder Alpha A12es gibt ja noch billige Sl 2 Bestände…das wäre Überlegung wert jetzt doch den Deal zu machen…was meint ihr?

Habe meine SL2-S upgedated. Sie bleibt die gleiche Kamera mit leicht verbesserten AF im Augenbereich. Verbessert heißt hier scheller. Der AF war schon immer 1A in der Schärfe bei Menschen. In Sachen AF Performance sind Leica Kameras, incl. SL3 das Schlusslicht im Markt, besonders in AF-C Bereich. In Sachen Farbreproduktion, Sucher, User-Interface-Design und Robustheit sind sie führend. Wenn Portraits und Landschaftsfotos Dein Ding sind, bist Du mit der SL2(-S) sehr gut bedient. Willst Du rumlaufende Kinder, Hunde, Sport und Wildlife dokumentieren, kauf Dir was anderes. Wichtig wäre noch anzumerken, dass Leicas von ihren Linsen leben. 
Weiter unten auf der Forumsseite findest Du das deutschsprachige Forum. 

[Matthias K]

vor 3 Stunden schrieb hansvons:

Habe meine SL2-S upgedated. Sie bleibt die gleiche Kamera mit leicht verbesserten AF im Augenbereich. Verbessert heißt hier scheller. Der AF war schon immer 1A in der Schärfe bei Menschen. In Sachen AF Performance sind Leica Kameras, incl. SL3 das Schlusslicht im Markt, besonders in AF-C Bereich. In Sachen Farbreproduktion, Sucher, User-Interface-Design und Robustheit sind sie führend. Wenn Portraits und Landschaftsfotos Dein Ding sind, bist Du mit der SL2(-S) sehr gut bedient. Willst Du rumlaufende Kinder, Hunde, Sport und Wildlife dokumentieren, kauf Dir was anderes. Wichtig wäre noch anzumerken, dass Leicas von ihren Linsen leben. 
Weiter unten auf der Forumsseite findest Du das deutschsprachige Forum. 

Hab lieben Dank. Meine Welt ist eher dunkel Licht- schwach wechselnd Theater Bühne schnelle Bewegungen bei den Schauspielern guter AFC ist mir wichtig. Muss ja nicht auf Top Niveau Sony Alpha 1 sein. Aber besser als q3. Werde dann wohl auf die S warten müssen wollen. Optik ist mir klar. Da mache ich mir null Sorgen. Das Focus Modul der 3er soll wohl identisch mit dem der Q3 sein. Sagte mir ein Leicamann aus dem Produktmarketing. 

Edited December 15, 2024 by Matthias K
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[jaapv]

Let’s stick to English please.

Nur Englisch bitte. 

[tomasis7]

i saw that Panasonic s1IIH will be released next week. I hope SL3-S takes a lot from that camera.

[helged]

2 hours ago, tomasis7 said:

i saw that Panasonic s1IIH will be released next week. I hope SL3-S takes a lot from that camera.

Rumors or have you seen the S1IIH? Yes, it is expected to come, on the usual rumor sites.... 

[tomasis7]

rumor, yes but it was very long time since S1H was released Canon and Nikon are already super competitive in that area.

We also talk about Sl3S rumor here 🤣

Edited December 17, 2024 by tomasis7

[BernardC]

5 hours ago, tomasis7 said:

rumor, yes but it was very long time since S1H was released Canon and Nikon are already super competitive in that area.

Canon has the C80 which they released this year, but Nikon is nowhere in the cine market. There is of course speculation that their purchase of RED will lead to product on the Nikon side, but nothing yet. They'll also need some lenses that are more video-friendly.

Sony also has cine-style product. I find that their hybrid cameras are a bit too much like crash cams, but their professional stuff is top-shelf.

That being said, the S1h is still the best professional hybrid (video/stills) camera. All it's missing is faster AF (which is undoubtedly coming), but AF isn't a big selling feature for the cine market. The main uncertainty is that Panasonic does not market professional cinema cameras in L-mount. Ironically, Blackmagic does, so there's an opportunity for Panasonic to piggyback on an already-existing ecosystem. Perhaps we'll see something in the spring, after the S1Hii is revealed. They just need to put the same components in a box with better cooling, bigger batteries, bigger buttons, more connectors, and an orientable side finder.

[jaapv]

The S5ii(X) has cooling already. It would be strange if other S cameras would lack it. 

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[tomasis7]

23 hours ago, BernardC said:

Canon has the C80 which they released this year, but Nikon is nowhere in the cine market. There is of course speculation that their purchase of RED will lead to product on the Nikon side, but nothing yet. They'll also need some lenses that are more video-friendly.

Sony also has cine-style product. I find that their hybrid cameras are a bit too much like crash cams, but their professional stuff is top-shelf.

That being said, the S1h is still the best professional hybrid (video/stills) camera. All it's missing is faster AF (which is undoubtedly coming), but AF isn't a big selling feature for the cine market. The main uncertainty is that Panasonic does not market professional cinema cameras in L-mount. Ironically, Blackmagic does, so there's an opportunity for Panasonic to piggyback on an already-existing ecosystem. Perhaps we'll see something in the spring, after the S1Hii is revealed. They just need to put the same components in a box with better cooling, bigger batteries, bigger buttons, more connectors, and an orientable side finder.

I agree with everything, although I was thinking of Canon and Nikon "DSLR" bodies as the main competitors for the Panasonic S1H and Leica SL2-S.

The Sony FX6 is excellent in terms of body size but very expensive. The Pyxis looks nice as well but is too large. A cinema camera that isn’t part of the BM Pocket line would be ideal—a body capable of both high-quality photos and videos with huge dynamic range files like the 6K version with its weird layout. I would have considered a GH series body if it weren’t for the older Leica lenses. The SL2-S is a good compromise overall since I need reliable 4K recording and image stabilization.

It’s hard to see how much further you could push beyond the SL2-S specifications for video. It would sell better as a twin to the S1H. The S5 isn’t fully optimized for video, similar to the G9. Fuji cameras have gotten pretty good with videos, lately.

Edited December 18, 2024 by tomasis7

[tomasis7]

20 hours ago, jaapv said:

The S5ii(X) has cooling already. It would be strange if other S Cameras would lack it. 

Latest Gh7 looks nice with cooling fins I didnt imagine itd require for the microFourThird sensor.