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[charlesphoto99]

11 hours ago, algrove said:

Well I own 4 other M11 variants including the first M11 and I have NEVER had issues with formatting SD cards nor internal memory. So I do not know what happened with the link you quote. 

Do you really NEED another M body? Where/how do you actually find the time to use them all? 

[andybarton]

49 minutes ago, jps1 said:

You're not right either, because Image Capture lists all the photos on the SD card and internal memory as a single location, it doesn't show the two locations separately.

 

And why is that a problem?

[NigelG]

You can’t format cards in the M60. Never an issue for me.

Put a card in - Sandisk ones always work straight out of the packet. Take pictures and then as and when necessary download your images without deleting. Take more pictures and repeat.

When the card is nearly full take it out, download the remaining images, then put a brand new one in, label the old one and put it in a drawer with all the others. 🫨

 

(And yes I know, I know, they’re not long term storage but I have recovered some “lost” images that were gone forever from a CF card used in a Canon G5 for a family holiday in 2004/5? from a card in that drawer…)

Edited September 17, 2024 by NigelG

[newtoleica]

39 minutes ago, NigelG said:

You can’t format cards in the M60. Never an issue for me.

Put a card in - Sandisk ones always work straight out of the packet. Take pictures and then as and when necessary download your images without deleting. Take more pictures and repeat.

When the card is nearly full take it out, download the remaining images, then put a brand new one in, label the old one and put it in a drawer with all the others. 🫨

 

(And yes I know, I know, they’re not long term storage but I have recovered some “lost” images that were gone forever from a CF card used in a Canon G5 for a family holiday in 2004/5? from a card in that drawer…)

In a drawer? No, put them neatly in polythene sheets in a folder, indexed and with a contact sheet next to it. Maybe even use separate cards for different ISO settings, B&W and different WB settings on colour......

[NigelG]

13 minutes ago, newtoleica said:

In a drawer? No, put them neatly in polythene sheets in a folder, indexed and with a contact sheet next to it. Maybe even use separate cards for different ISO settings, B&W and different WB settings on colour......

Actually I’ve got a lot of neg strip filing sheets left over….(but no fixed WB on the 60 either)

Edited September 17, 2024 by NigelG

[jps1]

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Il y a 1 heure, andybarton a dit :

Et pourquoi est-ce un problème ?

The problem is that the photos that appear with Image Transfer on Mac are duplicated!

To solve it you must: either do not put an SD Card. or choose IN + SD

It's not cool.

Edited September 17, 2024 by jps1

[jps1]

Il y a 2 heures, maxpower a déclaré :

Je n'ai jamais affirmé que c'était le cas

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[algrove]

3 hours ago, charlesphoto99 said:

Do you really NEED another M body? Where/how do you actually find the time to use them all? 

I’m retired and use 2 of each camera to avoid lens changes as much as possible.11D was to reduce using M6 .

[costa43]

The SD card is no issue, it’s in the pc often when uploading pics so to format it is not a bother. The internal memory is though. I would want to be able to wipe that from the camera. To be honest I would prefer it not to exist. I keep repeating myself but the M-D should be as basic as humanly possible and not reliant on a mobile phone, the one thing many of us wish to escape from using for photography. Just turn the camera on, pop an sd card in and shoot in manual. Take out sd card and upload images. The only automated thing should be WB imo so you don’t have to even make that decision.

Edited September 17, 2024 by costa43

[jaapv]

5 hours ago, Viv said:

No possibility to adjust WB using camera controls is a deal breaker for me.

Why should you even want to when you can set the WB in raw conversion? The main reason to set WB in camera is to get a more-or-less correct rendering on the LCD.

[FlashGordonPhotography]

6 hours ago, jps1 said:

The problem is that the photos that appear with Image Transfer on Mac are duplicated!

To solve it you must: either do not put an SD Card. or choose IN + SD

It's not cool.

Shoot as normal with files written to both cards and then pull the SD card before connecting the cable.

The real issue is the lack of mass storage on M cameras. Can this be upgraded as a firmware thing or is it a hardware limitation. The SL cameras just ask what connection you want when you plug the cable in.

Gordon

[hunterspoint]

17 hours ago, davidnvh said:

If you use Mac, you can import with Photos app, it also has option to automatically delete imported photos.

Is there a way to get the Leica Fotos app directly on the Mac.  I have it on my iPad and iPhone but don't see an option for it for the computer.  I use SD card formatter to delete my SD cards for the MD262 which has no internal memory. Not sure I understand how one would format the Internal memory in the M 11-D. Just so I understand, you can only delete the SD card via the Fotos app ( using a tablet or phone), not actually format the card?

[davidnvh]

2 hours ago, hunterspoint said:

Is there a way to get the Leica Fotos app directly on the Mac.  I have it on my iPad and iPhone but don't see an option for it for the computer.  I use SD card formatter to delete my SD cards for the MD262 which has no internal memory. Not sure I understand how one would format the Internal memory in the M 11-D. Just so I understand, you can only delete the SD card via the Fotos app ( using a tablet or phone), not actually format the card?

1. No, unfortunately

2. The only way to format the internal memory right now is to reset the camera. 
3. Yes, you can only delete with the app, but since you are familiar to MD262 I think you can keep that same routinely workflow. 

[Dr Cron]

From page 53 of the camera manual.  Not perhaps the most insightful of guidance...!

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What I also note, in a read of the instruction manual, is an extreme vagueness about what precise functionality the FOTOS app actually adds, or indeed what extra information is available when using a Visoflex - the latter almost expecting you to be familiar with the M11 manual first.  

Not particularly great I don't think, given how impressive and otherwise attractive this camera may be for a number of reasons, including for those of us who are primarily film-shooters.

[pippy]

On 9/17/2024 at 2:00 PM, NigelG said:

...You can’t format cards in the M60...Put a card in - Sandisk ones always work straight out of the packet...

It has been so long since I needed to use a new card with the M-D Typ-262 that I couldn't remember how it 'worked' so I've just tried it and it's exactly the same story with that camera. Put the card in, switch on and the camera automatically creates a 'DCIM' file-folder inside which it automatically creates a '100Leica' sub-folder.

Are the newer 'D' bodies unable to execute this extremely straightforward - and pretty neccessary - process? So much for "Das Wesentliche"......😸......

23 hours ago, NigelG said:

...no fixed WB on the 60 either...

No; nor on the MD262. It's never once been a problem; I simply adjust WB (if neccessary) when undertaking any other adjustments during conversion.

Philip.

EDIT : I've just dug-out the instruction book for the MD to see exactly what instructions are given by Leica regarding the formatting of an SD card and......nothing. Not a word. Where the part pertaining to installing / using the SD card is first raised in the section titled "Changing the Battery / Memory Card" it reads (and I quote);

"The Camera saves the pictures on an SD (secure digital), SDHC..."...etc...etc...etc...

That's it. The camera simply does what is required without any fuss.

Edited September 18, 2024 by pippy

[Mahesh]

20 hours ago, jaapv said:

Why should you even want to when you can set the WB in raw conversion? The main reason to set WB in camera is to get a more-or-less correct rendering on the LCD.

The main reason is to get a good starting point even before going to the imaging software. Why do you want to fiddle on the computer when you can get easily before even taking the picture. For me, I like to spend less time on the computer (and EVF, which is why the M)

[NigelG]

2 hours ago, pippy said:

The Camera saves the pictures on an SD (secure digital), SDHC..."...etc...etc...etc...

That's it. The camera simply does what is required without any fuss.

Same in the M Edition 60 handbook. Put a card in then take pictures.

The word “formatting” is not in the book. The only additional note re memory cards explains that each of the folders created automatically will store 9999 images…

 

Data structure on the memory card

Each of the folders 100LEICA, 101LEICA etc. up to 9999 pictures can be stored.
 

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[pippy]

10 minutes ago, NigelG said:

Same in the M Edition 60 handbook. Put a card in then take pictures.

The word “formatting” is not in the book. The only additional note re memory cards explains that each of the folders created automatically will store 9999 images…

 

Data structure on the memory card

Each of the folders 100LEICA, 101LEICA etc. up to 9999 pictures can be stored.
 

Same with the MD but there is a problem - at least in the way it has turned out for me.

First folder (as mentioned) was '10Leica'. Second folder was '101Leica'. So far so good. The issue (for me) was the individual file-numbering.

In 100Leica I had DNG files going from L1000001 to L1009999. When the 101Leica folder commenced the individual DNG numbering reset to L1000001; i.e. every batch of 9999 files will be given a duplicate file-number - the original having been created in the first L100Leica folder.

Adding to the (possible) confusion - and forbidding me from simply downloading every DNG file into one mega-folder - is the fact that I also have L100Leica folders for my long-gone M8.2, my similarly long-gone M9-P and my still very much here M Monochrom. In effect for each batch of 9999 images I could, potentially, have four different DNG files.

I'm sure there will be a way to clearly rename files from each camera but, for the moment, I have resorted to renaming files one-by-one such as MD L1011234 or MM L1005678. It's a right royal PITA - especially when I return from three weeks in France with 1,000+ files to re-name - but it needs to be done. I do know for a fact that some of my MM L100xxxx files have over-written earlier files from the MD when I was still in the first 9999 series.

This is the ONE area where the MD (as far as I have been able to discover) is missing a trick. I've tried to find a way to get the body to adopt a different numbering system - one of my own devising - but without success.

Philip.