Q3 with 43mm APO f2

[wlaidlaw]

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53 minutes ago, wceide said:

I find the 28 mm lens very big on the Q. I would appreciate a f 2 or even f 2,8 version with smaller lens. A 40 mm would be great. Summarit 40 mm were great performers.

Another option would be an L mount Q with a set of small AF lenses. Would also work great with M lenses vi the adaptor.

 

 

 

I don't think there ever was a Summarit 40, only 35 Summarit 2.5 and 2.4. Were you thinking of the 40mm/f2 Summicron-C that came as the standard lens with the Leica (film) CL. For some reason, this does not appear in the list of Leica M lenses by focal length in the Wiki but is there somewhere as you can find it with the search tool, maybe under Leica Compact Cameras. The really rare and very compact lens is the Leica Elmarit-C 40mm/f2.8, which I have never seen and would be a super compact lens for a pocketable camera. 

Wilson

Edited August 28, 2024 by wlaidlaw

[wlaidlaw]

Funnily enough, I have just had a look on Fleabay and there are loads of Elmarit-C 40mm lenses for sale but at quite steep prices from £1700 upwards. 

Wilson

[jaapv]

Really?  Seems a bit over the top to me. 

[wlaidlaw]

33 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Really?  Seems a bit over the top to me. 

Leica only made 500 of the 40mm Elmarit-C lenses, so I am guessing the rarity value drives the price. Boris wants €110,000 for the prototype CL, with Elmarit-C  but someone else on Fleabay Germany is only asking €1750 for a prototype 40 Elmarit-C, the cheapest one of these 40 Elmarits on offer. I don't collect prototypes (some do), so not interested in either of these two offers but I am sure others might be interested. 

Wilson

[kirkmc]

I didn't read every post in the thread, but a lot of people point out the Ricoh has a 40mm camera. There's also the Fujifilm X100 series, which is a 35mm, and is the best selling camera these days. While Leica couldn't make enough Qs to meet increased demand - and the price means it's not a competitor - that sort of focal length is the norm for many fixed-lens cameras. A lot of people here saying that 40mm is too much; just zoom with your feet! (The opposite of "just crop.") 

I'd probably trade my Q3 in for a lens like that. The Q is a bit too wide for my tastes, being even less than 28mm. I don't mind cropping, especially with 60 Mp, but I feel more comfortable seeing and framing what I want to shoot, which, sometimes, with the Q, is difficult because it's so wide. I would also like something a bit more compact; the 40mm Summicron they used to make looks smaller and lighter than the equivalent 28mm.

Edited August 28, 2024 by kirkmc

[wlaidlaw]

I don't know if Ricoh have improved their sensors a lot but I had a GX200 and its low light performance was abysmal. The images in low light were like a digital camera from 10 years before the GX200. A bit like a pointillist painting, there was so much chrominance noise. 

Wilson

 

[wceide]

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2 hours ago, wlaidlaw said:

I don't think there ever was a Summarit 40, only 35 Summarit 2.5 and 2.4. Were you thinking of the 40mm/f2 Summicron-C that came as the standard lens with the Leica (film) CL. For some reason, this does not appear in the list of Leica M lenses by focal length in the Wiki but is there somewhere as you can find it with the search tool, maybe under Leica Compact Cameras. The really rare and very compact lens is the Leica Elmarit-C 40mm/f2.8, which I have never seen and would be a super compact lens for a pocketable camera. 

Wilson

there was the summarit 2,4/40 on the Minilux. It is an excellent lens

[Simone_DF]

2 hours ago, wlaidlaw said:

I don't know if Ricoh have improved their sensors a lot but I had a GX200 and its low light performance was abysmal. The images in low light were like a digital camera from 10 years before the GX200. A bit like a pointillist painting, there was so much chrominance noise. 

They have, but they are still behind. Noise level on the GRIII is on par or slightly more than a Q2, which to me is horrendous. 
However, the two Ricohs are starting to be old, probably there will be a new model sometime this or next year 

[yst]

On 8/25/2024 at 9:34 AM, jaapv said:

Because that is the essence of the Q series. The cropping replaces the zoom lens of other compacts. How you want to use the camera is of course your privilege. However if you buy a Q with the intention not to crop, you buy it for the 28 mm lens and a 40 mm one would be of little interest. 

Greetings!   About cropping, wouldn't that be an essence that would not be changed is that the feeling of the image; say the prospective of using a 50mm focal length lens is quite different from an image taken with the 28mm lens than cropped into "50mm lens field of view"?  

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19 hours ago, wlaidlaw said:

I don't know if Ricoh have improved their sensors a lot but I had a GX200 and its low light performance was abysmal. The images in low light were like a digital camera from 10 years before the GX200. A bit like a pointillist painting, there was so much chrominance noise. 

Wilson

 

The GX200 is a very old.camera with a tiny sensor.ao cannot be compared to.a GR 

Jeff

[jaapv]

8 hours ago, yst said:

Greetings!   About cropping, wouldn't that be an essence that would not be changed is that the feeling of the image; say the prospective of using a 50mm focal length lens is quite different from an image taken with the 28mm lens than cropped into "50mm lens field of view"?  

There is no perspective change and a xx mm perspective does not exist. This has been discussed ad nauseam in the forum and in multiple threads. Perspective is determined solely by the position of the photographer and the elements in the scene. It does not need a camera let alone a specific lens. To change the perspective you must change the geometry I..e. Move the  the photographer.  That is what we do when using for instance a wideangle and keep the size of the subject the same: we move in closer and the moving in changes the perspective. 
The only thing that does change when cropping is the DOF. The more you crop the deeper the DOF because the magnification through the imaging chain changes. 

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28mm cropped

[Viv]

On 8/25/2024 at 2:29 PM, nemendes said:

And why do you suggest to crop images all the time? Maybe we just dont want to crop it, just that simple. 

Irrational. Cropping is a valid tool in photography. Always has been.

[Viv]

1 hour ago, jaapv said:

There is no perspective change and a xx mm perspective does not exist. This has been discussed ad nauseam in the forum and in multiple threads. Perspective is determined solely by the position of the photographer and the elements in the scene. It does not need a camera let alone a specific lens. To change the perspective you must change the geometry I..e. Move the  the photographer.  That is what we do when using for instance a wideangle and keep the size of the subject the same: we move in closer and the moving in changes the perspective. 
The only thing that does change when cropping is the DOF. The more you crop the deeper the DOF because the magnification through the imaging chain changes. 

28 mm

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28mm cropped

I wish people could digest and understand this simple law of optics.

[kirkmc]

Perspective distortion is what you see behind a subject. The photos above don't show enough behind the subject to see the difference. 

This Wikipedia article explains it; and has good comparative photos to show it. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspective_distortion

I wish people could digest and understand this simple law of optics.

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Nice  I heard that it indeed is a 43 F2 APO! Can you confirm? 

[jaapv]

57 minutes ago, kirkmc said:

Perspective distortion is what you see behind a subject. The photos above don't show enough behind the subject to see the difference. 

This Wikipedia article explains it; and has good comparative photos to show it. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspective_distortion

I wish people could digest and understand this simple law of optics.

From that article: “ perspective changes are caused by the distance not by the lens per se”. It is about adapting the angle of view to the distance of the subject, which is the opposite of cropping. Exactly what I am saying. MOVE  OUT and use a longer lens to get the same FIELD of view changes the perspective STAY PUT and crop the image to the same ANGLE of view and the perspective is identical. 

[Viv]

1 minute ago, jaapv said:

From that article: “ perspective changes are caused by the distance not by the lens per se”. It is about adapting the angle of view to the distance of the subject, which is the opposite of cropping. Exactly what I am saying. 

Quite right.

[kirkmc]

The distance to the subject is a factor of focal length, assuming you want to have your subject take up the same amount of space in the frame. In your examples above, you don't show anything in the background of your subject, which suggests that nothing changes. 

Focal length determines distance, which affects perspective. 

Edited August 29, 2024 by kirkmc

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[jaapv]

23 minutes ago, Viv said:

Quite right.

It is lesson one for portrait, landscape and macro photographers.