Physically turning off lens detection. Works 100%.

[lct]

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Those bashing the M11 will praise it when they realize the M12 is more modern i suspect.

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On 7/26/2024 at 6:14 PM, lct said:

Those bashing the M11 will praise it when they realize the M12 is more modern i suspect.

Modern is ok as I like M5 more than M2⋯⋯as long as the basic requirement of stability is met (I still wait for the good news of software which finally fixed M11’s glitches).

[charlesphoto99]

On 7/26/2024 at 3:14 AM, lct said:

Those bashing the M11 will praise it when they realize the M12 is more modern i suspect.

Of course it will be more 'modern.' How else would Leica continue the upgrade churn? But if Leica can find a way to make it 100% stable, and finally figure out instant - or near to - wake up time, the M11 will be the 240 of its generation. Perfectly fine camera, just not sought after, and something of a footnote. 

[lct]

Wakeup times are similar on M11 & M240 and it took 3+ years for the last bug fixes on M240 so the M11 will do at least as well hopefully.

[Malabito]

On 7/25/2024 at 6:17 PM, Sjstudio said:

It doesn't eliminate freezing completely, but it did reduce a lot. I know this works because I've had problematic coded lenses, and some glitchy reading on uncoded lenses. I find it quite frustrating that the manual setting or the "off" setting does not override automatic lens detection when a coded lens is attached. Why can't Leica just turn off the reader and let the manual settings override the reader... Anyways, my method is to ensure a manual override with no glitch. 

I don't think this has anything to do with the freezing issues, but if it works for you, great. I think this is more of a placebo effect. 

[lct]

Boils down to gouging out an eye to avoid cataract problems. The "lens detection is never off" mantra is taking its toll on this forum 🙄

[jaapv]

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On 7/28/2024 at 4:37 PM, charlesphoto99 said:

Of course it will be more 'modern.' How else would Leica continue the upgrade churn? But if Leica can find a way to make it 100% stable, and finally figure out instant - or near to - wake up time, the M11 will be the 240 of its generation. Perfectly fine camera, just not sought after, and something of a footnote. 

I fear that if Leica over-features the M12 even more than the M11 the electronic problems will multiply. It seems that they have forgotten that the M is about simplicity. 
It is like teaching an Elephant to waltz It may attract a crowd at a circus, but Craig Revel Horwood won’t be pleased, Darling. 

[lct]

Depends on what simplicity means. Is it more simple to shoot a camera handheld than with a tripod? If so and if IBIS is necessary for that, is IBIS simple enough? Also is it more simple to simulate perspective correction electronically than to have to use special lenses for that? If so, is the Leica perspective control feature simple enough then? etc. etc. No need to use a crystal ball to guess that the M12 will have at least as many features as the M11. Only question is Leica's capability to do it with no more glitches than the M11 got but those who dream of an M3 with a sensor in place of the film will be disappointed i suspect. Just a guess as i have no info about the M12 whatsoever.

[jaapv]

27 minutes ago, lct said:

Depends on what simplicity means. Is it more simple to shoot a camera handheld than with a tripod? If so and if IBIS is necessary for that, is IBIS simple enough? Also is it more simple to simulate perspective correction electronically than to have to use special lenses for that? If so, is the Leica perspective control feature simple enough then? etc. etc. No need to use a crystal ball to guess that the M12 will have at least as many features as the M11. Only question is Leica's capability to do it with no more glitches than the M11 got but those who dream of an M3 with a sensor in place of the film will be disappointed i suspect. Just a guess as i have no info about the M12 whatsoever.

You totally missed the point. Simplicity means a camera that gets out of the way and places as little automation, menus, buttons and other flibbertigibberty between the scene and photographer as possible.
Perspective control? I used Schleimpflug for decades and PS Perspective Control for decades after - why must a camera do that for me? And I have feet to shift perspective - TS lenses are the realm of TTL viewing cameras - not M.

[Derbyshire Man]

14 minutes ago, jaapv said:

You totally missed the point. Simplicity means a camera that gets out of the way and places as little automation, menus, buttons and other flibbertigibberty between the scene and photographer as possible.
Perspective control? I used Schleimpflug for decades and PS Perspective Control for decades after - why must a camera do that for me? And I have feet to shift perspective - TS lenses are the realm of TTL viewing cameras - not M.

Agree with this, I had an amazing canon L series T&S lens. Great not just for perspective obviously but also extending or manipulating the DOF and where it lay in the image. Produced some really stunning effects. However, as my brother pointed out when I showed him (years ago) they've just put that stuff in Lightroom and Photoshop, why don't you use that?

[lct]

Different experience here. Complexity came with my old PA-Curtagon that i don't use anymore now that it is so simpler to use the perspective control feature of the M11.  Generates a new way of composing for me. Hope Leica will keep it for the M12. YMMV.

[charlesphoto99]

The reason Leica could/should make what I'll call an M-DC (Digital Classic) is for those of us that value robustness and ultimate simplicity over bells and whistles. The smaller the pipeline, the less there is to go wrong. I'll bet that if they came out with an 'M6 version' and charged less, lots of users would jump on it. It just seems to me to defeat the whole intent of the M-D to just then slap an EVF on it so one can get back to the Sony they probably should have bought in the first place. And yes, I know the M11-D is a done deal, but it's not like Leica are going to stop making new cameras (and myriad variations of) after that. 

[lct]

6 hours ago, charlesphoto99 said:

The reason Leica could/should make what I'll call an M-DC (Digital Classic) is for those of us that value robustness and ultimate simplicity over bells and whistles. The smaller the pipeline, the less there is to go wrong. I'll bet that if they came out with an 'M6 version' and charged less, lots of users would jump on it [...]

Another niche in the niche? Don't count me in then, i have plenty enough legacy cameras already. The niche in the niche that could interest me would be an EVF-M but otherwise the M11 is in the right track, to me. It just misses IBIS to become the modern rangefinder of my dreams but shooting the M11 as it is proves a good compromise already from my point of view, in fact the best i got since my first M in the seventies. YMMV.