What are the odds that 1) an SL3-S will exist and 2) it'll have a flippy screen like the SL3

[jaapv]

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18 minutes ago, frame-it said:

or to minimize the production costs they simply add more video options via firmware to the SL3 and forget the SL3S?

I dunno. Co-developing beats rebadging or buying technology piecemeal any day. 

[Simone_DF]

9 hours ago, scott kirkpatrick said:

I sold on my SL2 a while ago because the sensor is at least a year older than the nice modern sensor in the SL2-S.  But the SL3 offers three resolutions, so is there as much need for an SL3-S?

Yes. The SL3 is not good for video or anything that moves when using the electronic shutter because of the sluggish readout speed. Reducing the resolution won't change the readout speed. Even the flash sync speed dropped from 1/250s to 1/200 on the SL3.

[SrMi]

3 hours ago, jaapv said:

It is a new sensor over the S5 co-developed with Leica -and it shows  both in colour and acuity. I would be surprised if Leica didn’t opt for it for an SL3S. It would be quite a waste of effort and investment. As for the menus, that is an OSX-Windows type of argument. Obviously Leica would use their own UI skin. As it happens I have a clear preference for the Panasonic system as it allows me to set up the camera to be used as closely to an analog one as possible. Once the user understands the menu setup it is very logical and easy to use. And one can switch user profiles or choose burst rates etc. without delving into menus or taking the camera off ones eye. But that is all personal preference and not an argument for one camera or the other and exactly what I mean with Leicafied. 
I know nothing about Panaleicas, but it is far more rational to co- develop two virtually identical cameras by combining resources  instead of doing so individually. 

 This makes me wonder about Sigma lenses. There has been quite a shift  optically for the better with Sigma lately. And fewer technical problems with Leica AF lenses. 

Isn't the "new" sensor still based on the same Sony 24MP technology as the S5 and SL2-S? There may be some changes in the data path, but the main difference is that OSPDAF was added. OSPDAF never improved IQ; on the contrary. I have not seen a comparison that shows better color or acuity over SL2-S.

Of course, plenty of owners are pleased with the menu structure of Sony, Panasonic, Nikon, Fuji, and Olympus. Some enjoy simple design. The latter typically navigate toward Leica and Hasselblad.

I use all kinds of digital cameras. Whenever I pick a Leica or Hasselblad, it is like a heavy weight falls from my back. Maybe because in my profession (software), I belong to the school of Niklaus Wirth. I like this quote by Edsger W. Dijkstra:

“Simplicity is a great virtue but it requires hard work to achieve it and education to appreciate it. And to make matters worse: complexity sells better.”

 

[BernardC]

Panasonic will release a replacement for the S1H in Q4, if you believe the rumors. That's their 24MP "Netflix approved" video camera. It should give us a preview of what Leica has in store for the SL3-S.

[jaapv]

I think it is made by one of the fabs associated with Panasonic but not sure. I do know that Leica and Panasonic made this a joint design. I was blown away by the improvement over the S5 and find the results considerably better than the SL601. If other reasons (see above) had not convinced me to prefer the camera over the SL2S that I was eyeing, I would have compared. At any rate PDAF has fewer artifacts than DPAF ( Canon) 
 

My mind grapples better with the more traditional menu designs and always struggles slightly with the Leica approach which complicates stuff by the heavy reliance on menus over physical controls like dials and buttons, although both work. I don’t presume to speak for many owners. Would be a bit silly without a proper survey. 

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17 hours ago, SrMi said:

Why do you think that S5ii has a better sensor?

The Panasonic menus are horrible, when compared to Leica’s menu, exemplified by holding D-Lux 7 vs 8.

 

Nothing horrible about Panasonic menus, at least to me using S5II and SL2-S side by side.