Really hope Leica adds a simple 65:24 xpan crop to the Q3

[SrMi]

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22 minutes ago, bobtodrick said:

How did we make do suing the 150 years before digital.

The director's viewfinders and the camera's viewfinder were all optical, not digital.

22 minutes ago, bobtodrick said:

Pretty sure Ansel, HCH, Capa didn’t carry a film directors viewfinder.

But I am pretty sure they used the camera's viewfinder to do exact framing and did not shoot in the general direction of the subject.

22 minutes ago, bobtodrick said:

Just saying…we all have different needs…sometimes you just have to suck it up and use YOUR brain..,not that of an electronic brain.

You suggest using your brain to guess instead of your eyes and tools to frame precisely. This is not about using digital vs. non-digital.

Edited June 22, 2024 by SrMi

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[bobtodrick]

1 hour ago, SrMi said:

The director's viewfinders and the camera's viewfinder were all optical, not digital.

But I am pretty sure they used the camera's viewfinder to do exact framing and did not shoot in the general direction of the subject.

You suggest using your brain to guess instead of your eyes and tools to frame precisely. This is not about using digital vs. non-digital.

I’m afraid we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

One of the most common complaints I get from customers is that menus have become too complicated with features a great many don’t use and that viewfinders have been too cluttered.

[Le Chef]

I think there’s a lot of pretentious bollocks about this. You observe a scene. You look again in the viewfinder. You provide enough “air” around the subject and fire away. The rest can be dealt with in post easily enough. If you need more assistance then two thumbs and two forefingers usually works.

[SrMi]

1 minute ago, bobtodrick said:

I’m afraid we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

One of the most common complaints I get from customers is that menus have become too complicated with features a great many don’t use and that viewfinders have been too cluttered.

This is not about digital cameras and their cluttered EVFs and LCDs but whether one needs framing help. It could be cardboard with a string attached to simulate various focal lengths, an (optical) director's viewfinder, or an electronic viewfinder with framing help.

[Le Chef]

Yet the OP started out asking about a specific crop in a digital camera. All some of us are saying is you don’t need it: just use your eyes and your feet to get the framing you want, and do the rest in post.

[SrMi]

12 minutes ago, Le Chef said:

Yet the OP started out asking about a specific crop in a digital camera. All some of us are saying is you don’t need it: just use your eyes and your feet to get the framing you want, and do the rest in post.

So, just shoot wide and crop in post to the previsualized frame? Do you carry a notebook to write down what kind of frame you intended to use?

[jaapv]

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18 minutes ago, SrMi said:

This is not about digital cameras and their cluttered EVFs and LCDs but whether one needs framing help. It could be cardboard with a string attached to simulate various focal lengths, an (optical) director's viewfinder, or an electronic viewfinder with framing help.

Look at painters: frame with your hands and fingers, look over your thumb…

[SrMi]

Just now, jaapv said:

Look at painters: frame with your hands and fingers, look over your thumb…

That is different as they do not need to match the specific focal length being used.

[Le Chef]

1 minute ago, SrMi said:

So, just shoot wide and crop in post to the previsualized frame? Do you carry a notebook to write down what kind of frame you intended to use?

Why would I? I can still remember what I wanted to capture without needing a notebook. If I want to experiment in post I can still do so.

[jaapv]

3 minutes ago, SrMi said:

That is different as they do not need to match the specific focal length being used.

That is exactly the point: on the Q you don’t need to do so either. 

[NightPix]

3 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

The Q system framelines have a valid purpose beyond a visualisation aid, as seems to be frequently forgotten

Another example - I like to use the 35mm frame lines to compose while still able to see what’s happening around the composition - similar to using an M camera. 

[jaapv]

Q3 -

You see your photograph
You choose your position
To arrange the elements of your subject (AKA perspective)
You choose the right moment
To press the shutter button.

Then you go home and determine your framing. 

Photographic heaven. 

 

 

[BradS]

It seems like a pretty simple, sensible and straightforward request. I can't see any rational reason not to implement it.  If the pano frame lines were available in the menu, I think I'd  occasionally use them. I don't understand the vehemence of the contrarians. Use RAW+JPG and be happy.

Edited June 22, 2024 by BradS

[SrMi]

Just now, jaapv said:

Q3 -

You see your photograph
You choose your position
To arrange the elements of your subject (AKA perspective)
You choose the right moment
To press the shutter button.

Then you go home and determine your framing. 

Photographic heaven. 

In that approach, no viewfinder is needed. Set the hyperfocal distance, point the camera in the general direction, and spray and pray, hoping you get one frame right.

I prefer to frame my shots carefully.

[jaapv]

Not really, You have seen your final image, so you must be sure that all elements are in the right place and recorded on the sensor, that your focus is spot-on and that you choose the right moment. Which requires a viewfinder and skill - not spray-and-pray. The point of a crop-zoom camera is that you do not need to frame precisely, you can do that better behind your computer.

[Le Chef]

1 hour ago, BradS said:

I don't understand the vehemence of the contrarians.

Liberate yourself from the tyranny of artificial constraints i.e. frame lines. As @jaapv says, you have 60MP you can crop later at your leisure to develop what you want.

[nariza7]

Based off current responses, there will be those like me who will be glad or are okay with them adding the 65:24 aspect ratio feature and there will be those that think there’s no point to it. I don’t think that perspective will change much on either side. I can only hope that they do add it as a simple addition that doesn’t take away from anyone’s current experience. Maybe just add it in the Photo Aspect Ratio setting which hopefully people rarely touch. 

[BradS]

50 minutes ago, Le Chef said:

.... As @jaapv says, you have 60MP you can crop later at your leisure to develop what you want.

Yes, of course, we can crop in post, obviously ... but there's no harm to adding the option the the existing menu list item. No reason for anybody to get their hair up about it.

Why the hostility?

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[PeterGA]

It is an easy provision that could be added - being able to compose in viewfinder is of great utility stand amenity to those who like and use the XPan or other panoramic aspect ratios. Those that don't see the utility don't need to use it. I can't see the problem here- Fuji and Hasselblad include the crop as a matter of course . I prefer to compose and frame IN camera - however, yes, one can always muck around in post processing - there are work arounds - and work arounds are just that.

 

[bobtodrick]

38 minutes ago, BradS said:

Yes, of course, we can crop in post, obviously ... but there's no harm to adding the option the the existing menu list item. No reason for anybody to get their hair up about it.

Why the hostility?

You feel this comment is hostile???

Man, you gotta go visit a firearms or political forum 😂