M11 intermittent over exposure

[SrMi]

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1 hour ago, crons said:

Your suggestion is noted, but the principles of ISO and its impact on digital photography are well-documented and understood by many experienced photographers. ISO adjusts the amplification of the sensor's signal, affecting both brightness and noise levels in the final image. If you need a refresher, perhaps a visit to DPR yourself could help clarify these basics for you.

I spent many hours discussing the role of ISO and exposure on DPR's Medium Format and PSAT subforums. What I posted is what the DPR's competent members agreed on. What you post will be taken apart very quickly. Try it. Or you may read this DPR's article:

The ins and outs of ISO: What is ISO? by Richard Butler

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[crons]

16 hours ago, SrMi said:

I spent many hours discussing the role of ISO and exposure on DPR's Medium Format and PSAT subforums. What I posted is what the DPR's competent members agreed on. What you post will be taken apart very quickly. Try it. Or you may read this DPR's article:

The ins and outs of ISO: What is ISO? by Richard Butler

If it's so easy to dismantle what I've said about ISO, why haven't you done so already?

Spending hours discussing on forums doesn't necessarily equate to a comprehensive understanding. What I post is based on widely accepted principles in photography. If DPR's members disagree, it might be worth revisiting the fundamentals. But feel free to point out anything specifically wrong with what I've said about ISO.

The article you provided aligns with my previous statements that ISO in digital photography involves more than just amplification of the signal. It reinforces the idea that ISO is part of a broader processing pipeline that affects how exposure translates into image lightness. It doesn't negate my earlier discussions about ISO but provides additional context on how ISO relates to exposure and image processing in digital cameras.

As for the main point, it seems the person in question will now do what I initially suggested: choosing ISO manually. So, I was right all along—nothing has changed. Let's focus on practical solutions that work.

Edited July 5, 2024 by crons

[SrMi]

1 minute ago, crons said:

Spending hours discussing on forums doesn't necessarily equate to a comprehensive understanding. What I post is based on widely accepted principles in photography.

No, but asking questions and discussing answers is a learning process that leads to acquiring knowledge. What you post is by no means "accepted principles in photography." It is, at best, something that incompetent people share online to sell ads.

17 minutes ago, crons said:

But feel free to point out anything specifically wrong with what I've said about ISO.

I have provided you with the articles of two competent writers, Iliah Borg and Richard Butler. Both understand the inner workings of a camera and are well respected in their field. You disagree with them (or, even worse, you did not read what they wrote) and believe your belief is better than their knowledge.

17 minutes ago, crons said:

As for the main point, it seems the person in question will now do what I initially suggested: choosing ISO manually. So, I was right all along—nothing has changed. Let's focus on practical solutions that work.

If the OP indeed switched to fully manual (I have not read him saying that), it is because of a bug in M11, not because he sees fully manual as an improvement.

 

[crons]

On 6/18/2024 at 10:50 PM, PeterKelly said:

I intend to mainly use this camera for candid street photography where I find you often don’t have the time to shoot in full manual mode. My settings with a 28 or. 35mm lens are usually shutter 1/250 or 1/500 aperture f 8 to f 11 Auto ISO limited to 6400 and the camera pre focused to about 1.5 meters 

These settings allow me to forget the camera and concentrate on catching the moment. I would be interested in other street shooter’s opinions on these setting

Setting up the camera manually can be just as quick once you're familiar with your gear and the shooting conditions. For some photographers, like myself, manual settings offer a precise control that can match or even exceed the speed and reliability of automatic modes. It ultimately comes down to personal preference and the shooting style that best suits your workflow and creative vision.

I take split second shots and I'm always in all manual settings. During the day I'm almost always at ISO400. 

What works for me is not being lazy. Shooting af mirroless cameras got me very lazy and I was using auto modes when I started using Leica. 

The thing with a Leica M is you have to have absolute concentration all the time. As soon as you arrive you need to know where you exposures are in the light and the shadow. And how you want it to look. 

Every time you turn a corner you have to look through the viewfinder to see where you are. Manually using a Leica M is an addictive and engaging process that is killed by using auto modes. 

In my experience at least. 

You can see in my photos that I take candid split second moments of people or animals. I'm always on full manual mode. My changes are very quick and not many really since I already know where I am depending on where I turn the camera. If I'm at 1/1000 over there and 1/500 over here than it is what it is.and I know exactly what the picture looks like without having to chimp or get surprise overexposed images. 

[crons]

18 minutes ago, SrMi said:

No, but asking questions and discussing answers is a learning process that leads to acquiring knowledge. What you post is by no means "accepted principles in photography." It is, at best, something that incompetent people share online to sell ads.

Discussing and questioning different perspectives is indeed a valuable part of learning. While what I share is based on widely accepted principles in photography, I respect differing viewpoints. However, I find your characterization quite dismissive and unfounded. Let's focus on constructive dialogue rather than resorting to personal attacks.

18 minutes ago, SrMi said:

I have provided you with the articles of two competent writers, Iliah Borg and Richard Butler. Both understand the inner workings of a camera and are well respected in their field. You disagree with them (or, even worse, you did not read what they wrote) and believe your belief is better than their knowledge.

I appreciate the articles shared, but disagreement doesn't dismiss facts. I've considered various perspectives, including those of respected writers. However, you still haven't pointed out any specific flaws in what I've said about ISO. Let's focus on the facts rather than assumptions about beliefs.

Linking convoluted articles to deflect from the fact that you can't pinpoint any inaccuracies in my statements about ISO isn't productive. Let's stick to discussing the actual points at hand rather than continuing with this approach.

Edited July 5, 2024 by crons

[PeterKelly]

Just for the record I am not giving up on Auto ISO on this camera and the others I own. As I said before I’m not a newbie and have been shooting for more than 50 years but still find Auto ISO to the preferred method (for me) in some, but not all, shooting conditions. 
 

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