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[pippy]

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5 hours ago, Martin B said:

To my knowledge...Even if the sensor was replaced, there is no full certainty that the same issue won't repeat with the replacement sensor...

With respect, Martin, your "knowledge" is completely erroneous.

The problem with the original 'sensor' was actually with the cover-glass and there has never EVER - in the nine years since the new unit was released - been even one case of a verified  failure of the V2 unit. If there had been any hint of a 'corrosion' issue then, rest assured, it would have been seen all over the internet.

If you do not know what you are talking about - and, clearly, here you don't - then please don't make such uninformed comments; it helps no-one and could very well be incredibly unhelpful.

Thanks.

P.

[Mute-on]

5 minutes ago, pippy said:

With respect, Martin, your "knowledge" is completely erroneous.

The problem with the original 'sensor' was actually with the cover-glass and there has never EVER - in the nine years since the new unit was released - been even one case of a verified  failure of the V2 unit. If there had been any hint of a 'corrosion' issue then, rest assured, it would have been seen all over the internet.

If you do not know what you are talking about - and, clearly, here you don't - then please don't make such uninformed comments; it helps no-one and could very well be incredibly unhelpful.

Thanks.

P.

Post #4 references a second sensor replacement in an M9M, but doesn’t specify whether the first replacement was V2 … 

 

 

[pippy]

49 minutes ago, Mute-on said:

Post #4 references a second sensor replacement in an M9M, but doesn’t specify whether the first replacement was V2 …

Yes, Mute-on, you are absolutely correct.

Here, in this forum, there were several members who complained that their replacement sensor also corroded. That much is, undeniably and demonstrably, true.

Every single one of these photographers, as it turned-out, had their v1 'sensor'changed due to the corrosion issue and, subsequently, a replacement was fitted which also corroded but this was always another v1 sensor because, by then, the second generation 'filter' had not yet been designed / implemented.

I know this because I count myself - and my M9-P - to be amongst their number. V1 corroded. V1 replacement corroded. V2 was perfect. 77,000 + clicks without any issue.

If you doubt what I say to be true then please do feel free to google a 'Leica M9 v2 sensor corrosion' search and see whether any reliable / verifiable reports of a failure comes up.

As stated earlier; were the v2 'sensor' to have been open to failure - even on one occasion - then it would be all over the internet. There is not one such report.

Philip.

Edited July 25, 2024 by pippy

[Mute-on]

39 minutes ago, pippy said:

Yes, Mute-on, you are absolutely correct.

Here, in this forum, there were several members who complained that their replacement sensor also corroded. That much is, undeniably and demonstrably, true.

Every single one of these photographers, as it turned-out, had their v1 'sensor'changed due to the corrosion issue and, subsequently, a replacement was fitted which also corroded but this was always another v1 sensor because, by then, the second generation 'filter' had not yet been designed / implemented.

I know this because I count myself - and my M9-P - to be amongst their number. V1 corroded. V1 replacement corroded. V2 was perfect. 77,000 + clicks without any issue.

If you doubt what I say to be true then please do feel free to google a 'Leica M9 v2 sensor corrosion' search and see whether any reliable / verifiable reports of a failure comes up.

As stated earlier; were the v2 'sensor' to have been open to failure - even on one occasion - then it would be all over the internet. There is not one such report.

Philip.

This clarification completes the story and should be a useful reference for prospective M9M purchasers, and existing users. 

[colint544]

My M9M went back to the factory in 2016 - I had dropped it on a pavement and knocked the rangefinder out of alignment. The sensor replacement programme was under way at the time, so that was also a consideration, although I had not noticed any corrosion.

Turned out that the sensor did have corrosion, and Leica replaced it - free of charge - with the new corrosion-proof sensor. In fact, they didn't charge for re-aligning the rangefinder either, or the service they gave the camera. Or even the postage.

That was eight years ago, I'm still using the camera. It never misses a beat. I looked at the sensor the other day. It still looks brand new. I've heard people say that the M9/M9M images aren't quite the same with the corrosion-proof sensor fitted, but I can see no difference before and after. M9M is a great camera.

[newtoleica]

I've been thinking of getting a Monochrom again. I had an M9M and loved the output but sold it years ago. I never liked the 'wheezy' shutter though and the M10 VF is much clearer.

Undecided between an M10-M (which necessitate selling my M10-P (I have a Q2 for colour if needed - rarely in the context I use the M) or adding a M9M. thoughts?

[NigelG]

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51 minutes ago, colint544 said:

My M9M went back to the factory in 2016 - I had dropped it on a pavement and knocked the rangefinder out of alignment. The sensor replacement programme was under way at the time, so that was also a consideration, although I had not noticed any corrosion.

Turned out that the sensor did have corrosion, and Leica replaced it - free of charge - with the new corrosion-proof sensor. In fact, they didn't charge for re-aligning the rangefinder either, or the service they gave the camera. Or even the postage.

That was eight years ago, I'm still using the camera. It never misses a beat. I looked at the sensor the other day. It still looks brand new. I've heard people say that the M9/M9M images aren't quite the same with the corrosion-proof sensor fitted, but I can see no difference before and after. M9M is a great camera.

My chrome M9M hit the pavement in NYC crossing W Houston St and has soldiered on since with no repairs…just a dent to the top plate.

I have no concerns re the replacement sensor and it’s my “pry it from my cold hands” M body.

[Jeff S]

12 hours ago, Mute-on said:

This clarification completes the story and should be a useful reference for prospective M9M purchasers, and existing users. 

Post #39.  Discussed on forum ad nauseam; easily searched by anyone.

Jeff

[a.noctilux]

4 hours ago, newtoleica said:

I've been thinking of getting a Monochrom again. I had an M9M and loved the output but sold it years ago. I never liked the 'wheezy' shutter though and the M10 VF is much clearer.

Undecided between an M10-M (which necessitate selling my M10-P (I have a Q2 for colour if needed - rarely in the context I use the M) or adding a M9M. thoughts?

Either one , Monochrom M9 or M10-M can serve you for many years.

Just in case of MM9 buy more batteries while available.

I've read that even M10 battery is unobtainable new.

Shutter sound can also help choosing quieter one.

For me, the M9M shutter is not so loud while using easily hidden by ambiant noise.

[a.noctilux]

link to the M10 battery discussion

over here

[pippy]

On 7/26/2024 at 2:43 PM, a.noctilux said:

link to the M10 battery discussion

over here

It would seem to me to be beneficial for Leica - and give reassurance to their customers - to provide some clarification as to their decision-making with regard to batteries for what are, in effect, 'recently discontinued' models.

This news about the cells for the M10 being problematic comes at the same time as users of the 'M240' platform of cameras have just heard (unofficially) that production of the batteries for their cameras has also been discontinued.

As we are talking about the future-function of possibly half-a-million cameras I think owners of these cameras need to know what plans Leica have put in place to ensure that these cameras can continue to be used.

Philip.

[jaapv]

There are quite a few non-Leica batteries on the market. It is unlikely that there will be a supply problem in the foreseeable future.

[Viv]

I will go against the tide and recommend the Q2M.

For ease of shooting and no faffing about with lens changes. Zoom with your feet or by cropping.

[pippy]

4 hours ago, jaapv said:

There are quite a few non-Leica batteries on the market. It is unlikely that there will be a supply problem in the foreseeable future.

I know that there were / are third-party betteries available for the M8 / M9 series, Jaap, but I haven't seen any such batteries for the M240 series.

If you do know of any manufacturer which is producing them could you please let us know? That would be most helpful. Thanks!

Philip.

[pippy]

4 hours ago, Viv said:

...Zoom with your feet or by cropping...

As has been discussed here a great many times moving position does not give the same image as would be achieved by choosing a different focal-length and cropping from a 28mm FOV to replicate the result had a 75mm lens was used instead is hardly an acceptable solution.

Just IMO, of course, so YMMV.

Philip.

Edited August 9, 2024 by pippy

[Viv]

10 minutes ago, pippy said:

As has been discussed here a great many times moving position does not give the same image as would be achieved by choosing a different focal-length and cropping from a 28mm FOV to replicate the result had a 75mm lens was used instead is hardly an acceptable solution.

Just IMO, of course, so YMMV.

Philip.

MM does V.

[pippy]

15 minutes ago, Viv said:

MM does V.

How wonderful for you! Thanks for letting us know!

😸

Philip.

[jaapv]

39 minutes ago, pippy said:

I know that there were / are third-party betteries available for the M8 / M9 series, Jaap, but I haven't seen any such batteries for the M240 series.

If you do know of any manufacturer which is producing them could you please let us know? That would be most helpful. Thanks!

Philip.

I don’t but batteries are easy to refurbish.

[Jeff S]

39 minutes ago, pippy said:

As has been discussed here a great many times moving position does not give the same image as would be achieved by choosing a different focal-length and cropping from a 28mm FOV to replicate the result had a 75mm lens was used instead is hardly an acceptable solution.

Just IMO, of course, so YMMV.

Philip.

More specifically, perspective (the relationship between near and far objects) does indeed change based on subject distance from camera.  Focal length changes, from the same camera position, do not change perspective.

Jeff

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[Viv]

41 minutes ago, pippy said:

How wonderful for you! Thanks for letting us know!

😸

Philip.

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