Any interest in a quick meeting in Rotterdam in April ‘24?

[Alberti]

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I know I am sort of at fault here, but otherwise it would have been late this year. Keeping a late date, another venue like Delft comes to my mind. Where are you performing?

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[Alberti]

@Jannetje, I sent you a PM . .

[larsv]

On 4/1/2024 at 12:53 AM, Sandokan said:

Unfortunately, I will be returning from Venice on 19th so leaving again immediately will not be tolerated  

Simple solution is to not return and go straight to Rotterdam 😄

[Alberti]

Our walk will be along the following lines:

1. meet at the Central Station (Ze Girlie) and go to Ted's.  Just around the corner to the right of post #9.
2. Then move on to the Depot of Booijmans.
3. Subsequently lunch at the SS Rotterdam
4. and after some loitering around there -
5. have dinner on the Deliplein (where there are so many Deli-cious places)

 

Ted's (on the roof, my skyline was too low here), a place only for the seasoned Leica Shooters. . :

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Depot:

SS-Rotterdam:

Edited April 14, 2024 by Alberti

[pegelli]

Excellent Albert, looking forward to it

And the Boijmans depot is very interesting, you can even see the old museum in it 😉

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[Michiel Fokkema]

There is a small change of plans.

Instead of meeting at Ted's we'll meet at cafe Floor at the schouwburgplein at 10:30.

 

[Alberti]

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Museum Boijmans . .

I still think of it as Boymans as that was its old name. I’ll tell more about that.

Edited April 19, 2024 by Alberti

[pegelli]

5 minutes ago, Alberti said:

I still think of it as Boymans as that was its old name. I’ll tell more about that.

Pls. do, because from the old days when I visited my grandmother (who lived behind the Museumpark on the Westzeedijk) I also remember it was spelled with a "y" and not with a "ij" 🤔

[farnz]

3 minutes ago, pegelli said:

Pls. do, because from the old days when I visited my grandmother (who lived behind the Museumpark on the Westzeedijk) I also remember it was spelled with a "y" and not with a "ij" 🤔

As an apologetic non-Dutch speaker, does the "y" in place of "ij" mean something specific rather than (as I would naïvely assume) just a slightly different pronunciation? 

(If explaining the difference to me would be an utter nuisance or too complicated then, by all means, please say so and I'll go and sit in the corner and berate myself for foolhardily asking questions just to quench my curiosity. 😄)

Pete.

[Alberti]

I worked there. . . from ‘79-‘81.

- a new director wanted to emphasise his power (‘puntjes op de i’?, I can’t translate) & changed the name around 2000.

The original founder in the nineteenth century was indeed called Boijmans, but the collection after his death was called Boymans.

[Maarten]

21 minutes ago, farnz said:

As an apologetic non-Dutch speaker, does the "y" in place of "ij" mean something specific rather than (as I would naïvely assume) just a slightly different pronunciation? 

(If explaining the difference to me would be an utter nuisance or too complicated then, by all means, please say so and I'll go and sit in the corner and berate myself for foolhardily asking questions just to quench my curiosity. 😄)

Pete.

To complicate things a little more: we have three letter combinations that sound similar, the y, the ij and the ei.

The y is used mostly in foreign words and in posh family names. The ij is treated as one letter like in the river IJssel. The ei is used for example in the name of the city Leiden (where I grew up). In all cases the pronunciation is the same.

By the way ‘een ei’ is an egg. Next time: welcome to Holland and the double Dutch! 

[farnz]

Thank you for your explanation, Maarten, and I look forward to seeing you again. 😊

Pete.

 

[pegelli]

To add to the story Maarten started, there's a very long story in English on Wikipedia about the Dutch Y vs. IJ : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IJ_(digraph)

@farnz: Pete, we'll organise an exam on this topic the next time you visit 😁

B.t.w. I read in this article that the famous Rotterdam football club changed its name some time ago from Feijenoord to Feyenoord, so there must be some spelling law that in a city the number of y's and ij's needs to remain constant, which might explain changing Boymans to Boijmans 😮

 

Edited April 19, 2024 by pegelli

[Alberti]

But still I hesitate to react to those who call me Kuyper (the international brand of liquors for mixing) instead of Kuijper  . Why? . . 🥲

Though the Y is thought to be as difficult as the tough distinction of Y and IJ, it can be learned. Do rules apply? Dunno. It does indeed require a thorough study in grammar school. It’s tough to get through to to core. Though I was fast, learning it thoroughly in second grade already, it remained an enigma.

English has its peculiarities too as you know. Nono English is straightforward, you might say. But not for thos on the other side of the strait.

Anyway, we are out for a bright day with nice cumulus clouds so I take a dark red filter along.

Edited April 20, 2024 by Alberti

[farnz]

I'm sad that I can't join you all but I wish you an excellent and enjoyable day.

Pete.

[jaapv]

17 hours ago, Alberti said:

But still I hesitate to react to those who call me Kuyper (the international brand of liquors for mixing) instead of Kuijper  . Why? . . 🥲

Though the Y is thought to be as difficult as the tough distinction of Y and IJ, it can be learned. Do rules apply? Dunno. It does indeed require a thorough study in grammar school. It’s tough to get through to to core. Though I was fast, learning it thoroughly in second grade already, it remained an enigma.

English has its peculiarities too as you know. Nono English is straightforward, you might say. But not for thos on the other side of the strait.

Anyway, we are out for a bright day with nice cumulus clouds so I take a dark red filter along.

My name is officially written with ij, my brother's with y ...

[Alberti]

6 hours ago, jaapv said:

My name is officially written with ij, my brother's with y ...

Why? 

[larsv]

16 minutes ago, Alberti said:

Why? 

Bycause

Edited April 21, 2024 by larsv

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[Alberti]

Thanks guys. We had a nice day, a few drops of rain now and then. 

We started at the Central Station. There I met a guy who really needed some soneshine. [I had a red filter . . .]

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Then off we went along sculptures and sculted architecture

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[Alberti]

Then we entered that big shiny time capsule through the door that evidently was opened for us.  

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After we were entertained a while we went to that other space ship.

 

Edited April 21, 2024 by Alberti