Should I trade in m10-r bp for a m10-m?

[Rollei35]

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I know this question would probably get different responses from different forums. I have asked in mono forum but I am going to ask here again.

Background, I have a M11, and M10-R. Recently I developed itches for monochrome and found a really good condition m10-m

The trade-in value of m10-r would be at least same as m10-m, or maybe even a bit higher.

Should I do it, or I better off just keep it m10-r and shoot in mono mode and pretend I have a mono?

[Siriusone59]

Pretend for a while at least.  My imagination always gave better results than my reality.  If it was a regular m10r and not the bp model it wouldn't be too difficult a choice since you also have the m11.  I also think about owning a m10m but I'm waiting for an excellent deal and it needs to be the Wetzlar edition but even then I know I would be sick if I traded my bp 10r for it, so I wouldn't.  In the meantime, I'll pretend it's a mono when necessary.

[JoshuaR]

I'd do it. I have an M10-R and an M10 Monochrom, and the black and white images do not look the same between them. That's especially true at high ISO, but also in good light. The M10-M pictures are gorgeous.

Also, one of the "advantages" of the M10-M is simply that it forces you to take black and white pictures, as though you'd loaded a roll of Tri-X. This can actually be very valuable. Since buying the M10M, I hardly ever convert my color images; the M10-R is for color, the M10M is for black and white, and I shoot accordingly.

For me, the M10M is a totally unnecessary luxury, but I'm really glad I own it.

Edited March 21, 2024 by JoshuaRothman

[dugby]

If you’re happy with the condition of your M10-R BP , keep it as you may not be able to get one back in the same condition.

Trade M11 for M10-M, as you can always easily re-purchase an M11 or maybe it’s follow on model

 

And you’ll have matching batteries, for two very satisfying Ms

Edited March 22, 2024 by dugby

[jakontil]

I wouldnt do it and i would regret it

if it were a normal M10r is another story 

[LeicaR10]

Rolli35,  I agree with Dugby and Jakontil.   You have the M10-R BP, those are going up in value.  I definitely would not trade it.  I would trade the M11 first and without question for the M10-M.  That is exactly what I did too.  Swapped both M11-P and M11-M for the M10-R and M10-M.  In my case, I needed reliability vs liability.  For me, returning to the M10s gave me reliability and peace of mind knowing the M10s are going to work in the field.  r/ Mark

Edited March 22, 2024 by LeicaR10

[GFONG]

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2 hours ago, dugby said:

If you’re happy with the condition of your M10-R BP , keep it as you may not be able to get one back in the same condition.

Trade M11 for M10-M, as you can always easily re-purchase an M11 or maybe it’s follow on model

 

And you’ll have matching batteries, for two very satisfying Ms

This

[Jeff S]

I own the M10R (BP) and M10M.  Great combination, although I never use them together. The primary benefit of a Monochrom for me is the B&W mindset it provides.  As Joshua noted, it’s akin to having Tri-X loaded; one is not distracted by looking for potential color pics.  Carrying a color-based camera simultaneously would defeat that benefit for me. Both cameras, however, are fully capable of producing superb prints (even using the M10R for B&W), based mostly on user skills and judgment. 
 

Jeff
 

 

[costa43]

I can only speak from my own experience. I have owned a monochrom camera and enjoy monochrom images as much, if not more so than colour but if it meant me not having a colour option, then no, I would not trade. Unless you are sure that colour is a thing of the past for you, you will likely go back to a colour camera at some point. I would definitely buy one alongside for the experience and output though.

All that being said, everyone is different and sometimes that itch must be scratched to find out what works best for you.

Edit : Apologies, I just 'properly' read your post and saw you had an m11 too. My opinion on this matter has now changed! Sell the m11 and get a monochrom!

Edited March 22, 2024 by costa43

[brickftl]

4 hours ago, costa43 said:

I can only speak from my own experience. I have owned a monochrom camera and enjoy monochrom images as much, if not more so than colour but if it meant me not having a colour option, then no, I would not trade. Unless you are sure that colour is a thing of the past for you, you will likely go back to a colour camera at some point. I would definitely buy one alongside for the experience and output though.

All that being said, everyone is different and sometimes that itch must be scratched to find out what works best for you.

Edit : Apologies, I just 'properly' read your post and saw you had an m11 too. My opinion on this matter has now changed! Sell the m11 and get a monochrom!

agree with this post.

Also, hoping this doesn't aggravate some, but for my purposes, I'm in the minority of people who don't like the look of monochrome cam images - they all look flat, washed out, not enough contrast and devoid of "pop". I much prefer the look of images I convert to b/w from color, having control over all those attributes, some being very dependent on application of color filters.

[grahamc]

I’d be inclined to sell the M11 myself (not trade) and buy a well-priced m10-M.   And pocket the surplus money. 10-M is the one camera you rarely (if ever) hear a bad word about, unlike M11. And I wouldn’t want to give up the m10-R BP for the reasons others have stated.  

Sharing batteries and menus etc and this would be a beautiful pair IMO 

Although I assume you like the 11 (more than 10r?) as you didn’t mention that.

 

Edited March 23, 2024 by grahamc

[sometimesmaybe]

On 3/23/2024 at 12:28 AM, brickftl said:

they all look flat, washed out, not enough contrast and devoid of "pop"

youre not wrong. the DNG files are by default quite flat. this is great if you want to do things in post,  but not great if you just want to use it 'as is'

 

[John Miranda]

I own both the M10-R and M10-M.  I suspect someday I might upgrade the M10-R, there are many great color digital options out there, yet the monochrome is such a special camera to use and own, when you get a really nice B&W it has such a wow factor, and removal of the bayer filter really raises the image detail.  

If I were to ever sell my M10-M feels like I would regret it down the road, like I regret selling my Leica MP film camera.  

[psyclism]

I did exactly this earlier this week. I was shooting my M10-R in B&W mode nearly 95% of the time, and my only use case for color was when I was taking pictures of family. So I decided to buy an M10M, sell the M10-R, and go with a Nikon Zf for color (and autofocus) for family stuff. Plus I can now give the Nikon to my wife, and she'll be able to take a picture without hand holding. 

Added bonus, the M10M can deliver very acceptable pictures when zone focusing @ f/8 and 1/125 in dark indoor conditions. B&W shots from the M10R were somewhat usable, but only when heavily processed in LR Noise AI. Straight out of the camera, they were a mess.

[brickftl]

I re-read your initial post that you have two M's (I glossed over that), so you'll retain a color option even if you get the M10M.

I'd keep the M10R and dump the M11 because I wouldn't take the chance of the M11 down the road either suffering lockups  or worse turning into a brick. The M10R is tried/true and I expect it will hold its value better than the m11 will.

Edited April 1, 2024 by brickftl

[sebben]

I don’t see enough difference in the mono files anymore for it to make sense. 

The M9 Mono offered a lot over the standard M9 in terms of low light performance but these days it only makes a difference if you are are regularly shooting at over 3200ISO and even then I would rather use light 

[SonomaTim]

I have  both the M10-R and the M10M. In my experience - from a noise perspective - a high ISO M10R color image converted to B&W is no match for a high ISO M10M image.  

If you don't shoot a lot of high ISO images, keep what you have and pretend it's a Monochrom. Otherwise trade the M11 for an M10M.  

[rpsawin]

Go sit at a cafe and have an espresso. Think about what you really want and what equipment will serve you best. Repeat as necessary until you have your answer.

Best luck to you.

[patrickcolpron]

On 3/21/2024 at 8:12 PM, Rollei35 said:

... I have a M11, and M10-R. Recently I developed itches for monochrome and found a really good condition m10-m

The trade-in value of m10-r would be at least same as m10-m, or maybe even a bit higher.

Should I do it, or I better off just keep it m10-r and shoot in mono mode and pretend I have a mono?

It would be better to trade in the M11 for an M10-Monochrom, and keep the M10-R black paint.

You'd then have the best pair of digital M cameras. 

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[robb]

Trade m11

keep m10r bp at all costs…

Robb