No charger?

[BernardC]

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Just now, Olaf_ZG said:

It shows Leica is not considering itself as a company for professionals. Rich people and wannabe’s only.

Professionals have no issue buying an additional two-battery charger (and additional batteries). I've worked with several who wouldn't use a camera if they didn't have an extra charger, just in case one charger goes bad. The SL3 has a built-in charge port (compatible with ubiquitous USB chargers), plus whatever else you buy.

I think it's the other way, non-professional users don't trust that the built-in charger will be enough for their needs, if they occasionally go through all of their batteries on the same day.

The off-grid safari example here is extreme, because it's so isolated and the trip is very weight-limited, so power will always be an issue. Most of us aren't away from the electricity grid for weeks.

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[Olaf_ZG]

3 minutes ago, BernardC said:

Professionals have no issue buying an additional two-battery charger (and additional batteries). I've worked with several who wouldn't use a camera if they didn't have an extra charger, just in case one charger goes bad. The SL3 has a built-in charge port (compatible with ubiquitous USB chargers), plus whatever else you buy.

I think it's the other way, non-professional users don't trust that the built-in charger will be enough for their needs, if they occasionally go through all of their batteries on the same day.

The off-grid safari example here is extreme, because it's so isolated and the trip is very weight-limited, so power will always be an issue. Most of us aren't away from the electricity grid for weeks.

I would not mind buying spare batteries. But my camera is a capturing device, not a loading device. 400$/€ is overpriced totally.

[Herr Barnack]

48 minutes ago, Olaf_ZG said:

It shows Leica is not considering itself as a company for professionals. Rich people and wannabe’s only.

Which would the probably 90% or more of Magnum photographers who shoot with Leica cameras be?

[Olaf_ZG]

7 minutes ago, Herr Barnack said:

Which would the probably 90% or more of Magnum photographers who shoot with Leica cameras be?

May be those get a charger for free. 
believe me, wedding photographers use a lot of batteries and are constantly charging: either the camera, either for flashes. A pro camera needs a charger. Leica made a clear statement here, together with their excellent quick customer service. 

[Herr Barnack]

34 minutes ago, Olaf_ZG said:

May be those get a charger for free. 
believe me, wedding photographers use a lot of batteries and are constantly charging: either the camera, either for flashes. A pro camera needs a charger. Leica made a clear statement here, together with their excellent quick customer service. 

I would go so far as to say that every camera that uses a rechargeable battery needs a charger.  Even a hobbyist could use a charger.

Think about the BC-SCL6 USB-C charger:  Plastic casing, power cord, six tiny red dot LEDs, a couple of wires - maybe $5-10 in actual parts - and made in an Asian sweatshop.  Leica probably pays $20-25 each for them - then they expect their customers who just spent $6995 to pay $220 each for them.

Leica made a clear statement, alright.

 

Edited March 8, 2024 by Herr Barnack

[tomasis7]

People will not complain if it costs 7500$ with a charger 

 

but it will cause a huge problem if one buys something that is 2% of the cost.  

[BernardC]

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1 hour ago, Olaf_ZG said:

believe me, wedding photographers use a lot of batteries and are constantly charging: either the camera, either for flashes

I've never had to charge at a wedding. The time to do that is at home. 

[cj3209]

Appreciate this topic as it made me laugh quite a bit - thank you!

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[SrMi]

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No charger, no cry!

[jaapv]

1 hour ago, tomasis7 said:

People will not complain if it costs 7500$ with a charger 

 

but it will cause a huge problem if one buys something that is 2% of the cost.  

In that case Leica should have pitched the price higher and included a voucher for a charger at a nominal price. 

[tomasis7]

2 minutes ago, jaapv said:

In that case Leica should have pitched the price higher and included a voucher for a charger at a nominal price. 

That is the true LEICA way.

I suspect that the Leica marketing department is young and doesn't remember how it is done back in the DMR times. 

[Edax]

15 hours ago, jaapv said:

I must read that directive Does it say : “You may not sell a camera with a charger in the box”.? Anyway, a directive is just a directive. It can only have force when embedded in national law. 

https://single-market-economy.ec.europa.eu/sectors/electrical-and-electronic-engineering-industries-eei/radio-equipment-directive-red/one-common-charging-solution-all_en

Some highlights from the EU link:

"Unbundling the sale of a charger from the sale of the electronic device"

"The 'common charging' requirements will apply to all handheld mobile phones, tablets, digital cameras, headphones, headsets, portable speakers, handheld videogame consoles, e-readers, earbuds, keyboards, mice, and portable navigation systems as of 28 December 2024"

[Filip Baraka]

I have a drawer full of old chargers so there is a point in this. However price they charge is to powerful

[hillavoider]

For 11 thousand 690 AUD, the price of a car,  Leica should give you a no cost option of being all so so self righteous with no charger and being a realist with a charger 

[Simone_DF]

3 hours ago, Edax said:

https://single-market-economy.ec.europa.eu/sectors/electrical-and-electronic-engineering-industries-eei/radio-equipment-directive-red/one-common-charging-solution-all_en

Some highlights from the EU link:

"Unbundling the sale of a charger from the sale of the electronic device"

"The 'common charging' requirements will apply to all handheld mobile phones, tablets, digital cameras, headphones, headsets, portable speakers, handheld videogame consoles, e-readers, earbuds, keyboards, mice, and portable navigation systems as of 28 December 2024"

Then they should have dropped the price of the camera by 200€, so people can buy  the charger at the same price as the SL2 camera + charger bundle. 
Instead, it’s a hidden price raise

[pegelli]

14 minutes ago, Simone_DF said:

Then they should have dropped the price of the camera by 200€, so people can buy  the charger at the same price as the SL2 camera + charger bundle. 
Instead, it’s a hidden price raise

Maybe they already dropped the price of the camera vs. what they would charge when including a standard charger, who knows 😇

I think unbundling the charger from the camera is a good move. For some people charging in camera will suffice, some people will already have a charger for the same batteries from a previous camera, some people will only want a single battery charger, some people will need the double charger. I think it's a good thing that people can choose what they need and not be given a  "one size fits all" device they might not need or use.

[hansvons]

On 3/8/2024 at 9:02 AM, jaapv said:

Personally I find the absence of a charger a deal-breaker.

 

On 3/8/2024 at 11:31 AM, Simone_DF said:

The official Sony battery charger is less than 50€, and you can find third party options for 20€.

Leica is 155.

 

17 hours ago, Olaf_ZG said:

It shows Leica is not considering itself as a company for professionals. Rich people and wannabe’s only.

Interesting thread. Why bother with Leica, then? I'd break the deal and buy a professional camera that comes with a charger.

[Simone_DF]

8 minutes ago, pegelli said:

Maybe they already dropped the price of the camera vs. what they would charge when including a standard charger, who knows 😇

Except the SL2 at launch was 6000€, now it’s 7000€. 

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[Olaf_ZG]

2 minutes ago, hansvons said:

 

 

Interesting thread. Why bother with Leica, then? I'd break the deal and buy a professional camera that comes with a charger.

If I was still earning money with photography, the upgrade wouldn’t be worth it to me, so yes, another camera, even brand would be bought. The m might not have real competition, the SL has plenty.

[Simone_DF]

19 minutes ago, hansvons said:

Interesting thread. Why bother with Leica, then? I'd break the deal and buy a professional camera that comes with a charger.

Yup. My next purchase is going to be a S5II.