Leica SL3 - IBIS only 5.0 EV

[Hendo]

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According to DPReview the new IBIS in the SL3 is only 5.0 EV. This is far below competition and also less than SL2. This was a disappointment in an otherwise solid upgrade.

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/leica-sl3-initial-review

 

[JohnSantaF4]

And no battery charger included, too!

[Hendo]

8 minutes ago, JohnSantaF4 said:

And no battery charger included, too!

A battery charger can be bought...not the case with inferior IBIS

[Photoworks]

the extra battery and Duar charger is $500. I didn't get it.

I have many chargers, but the new one is a quick charger.

IBIS looks improved< I did some shot at 1/4 speed and it was very sharp

 

Battery life is not so good at fist try

[Hendo]

1 hour ago, Photoworks said:

IBIS looks improved< I did some shot at 1/4 speed and it was very sharp

But how come that the measurements of the IBIS is inferior compared to SL2?

[SrMi]

1 hour ago, Photoworks said:

the extra battery and Duar charger is $500. I didn't get it.

I have many chargers, but the new one is a quick charger.

IBIS looks improved< I did some shot at 1/4 speed and it was very sharp

 

Battery life is not so good at fist try

The dual charger is cool and much better than the previously included one (it uses USB-C).

The CIPA numbers are not related to practice. I am not even certain that an improvement in the CIPA number reflects an improvement in practice. Even more, I am concerned that manufacturers will tune their IBIS to get better CIPA numbers instead of better handholding in practice (this is only speculation from my side). 

[davidmknoble]

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IBIS should only go so far.  I’d rather have great image quality and use a tripod than be able to hand hold every shot and have an inferior image… 

Just my thoughts.

[Parolibre]

I have used my X2D at night with shutter speed approaching 5 seconds handheld. So I would say IBIS is pretty important for me and I would assume a lot of photographers out there. The IBIS in SL3 indeed is a bit underwhelming. 

[Simone_DF]

3 hours ago, davidmknoble said:

IBIS should only go so far.  I’d rather have great image quality and use a tripod than be able to hand hold every shot and have an inferior image… 

Just my thoughts.

Perhaps for landscape.

How do you use a tripod when e.g. walking or moving? 

[FlashGordonPhotography]

IBIS is about the same as the SL2, in real life. A bit better than my A7R5 and a bit behind my X2D.

Gordon

[opera207]

3 hours ago, davidmknoble said:

IBIS should only go so far.  I’d rather have great image quality and use a tripod than be able to hand hold every shot and have an inferior image… 

Just my thoughts.

For $7000, you can have both, like Hasselblad X2D, but Leica can't offer.

[SrMi]

6 hours ago, Parolibre said:

I have used my X2D at night with shutter speed approaching 5 seconds handheld. So I would say IBIS is pretty important for me and I would assume a lot of photographers out there. The IBIS in SL3 indeed is a bit underwhelming. 

Is that based on practical experience with SL3, or by reading the spec?

[Photoworks]

5 hours ago, opera207 said:

For $7000, you can have both, like Hasselblad X2D, but Leica can't offer.

just because Hasselblad has one up on that, it has many shortcomings in lens selection and video options.

You get what you get and you don't get upset!

LOL

you can also choose to spend the money a different way

[BernardC]

21 hours ago, Hendo said:

According to DPReview the new IBIS in the SL3 is only 5.0 EV. This is far below competition and also less than SL2. This was a disappointment in an otherwise solid upgrade.

That's just the spec-sheet version, not real life. Published IBIS ratings are a best-case scenario, meaning that you'll achieve them only at a single shutter speed and focal length, using only laboratory-grade, calibrated shake (if you can find it!).

In real life, many users state that Leica and Panasonic have better IBIS at "5 stops" than Sony at "8 stops." I know it's certainly much better for video, where Sony's IBIS is unwatchable.

I suggest you try it out for yourself to see if it's acceptable. Every photographer will have a different experience, and different tolerance for fine-detail blur in their images.

[Hendo]

3 hours ago, BernardC said:

That's just the spec-sheet version, not real life. Published IBIS ratings are a best-case scenario, meaning that you'll achieve them only at a single shutter speed and focal length, using only laboratory-grade, calibrated shake (if you can find it!).

In real life, many users state that Leica and Panasonic have better IBIS at "5 stops" than Sony at "8 stops." I know it's certainly much better for video, where Sony's IBIS is unwatchable.

I suggest you try it out for yourself to see if it's acceptable. Every photographer will have a different experience, and different tolerance for fine-detail blur in their images.

Yes, I can agree on that. I had a SL2 (on sheet 6 EV) a couple of years ago and as far as I remember it was at least as good as the A7RV (on sheet 8 EV) which I currently use. However, the SL3, on sheet, has inferior IBIS than SL2 and it would be interesting to see if this is true in real world comparisons.

[LocalHero1953]

Depending on your use, IBIS that isn't at the bleeding edge can be just 'good enough'. If you're hand holding landscapes, still life's or streetscapes, then very slow shutter speeds can be handy. But for people, then subject movement is more of an issue, and IBIS won't help you. I value IBIS/OIS where it helps me shoot people performing on stage with the 90-280SL at 1/30s. At that speed and slower, any subject movement will ruin the shot more than shaky hands. With the 24-90SL as often as not I will use no slower than 1/250s when people are moving around (and I don't mean running). With the SL2-S I haven't felt the need for better IBIS - with the 60mp SL3 I might think differently - but I don't actually need 60mp!

[davidmknoble]

I agree with @LocalHero1953.  I have the Hasselblad X2D and I have used the IBIS with the 90v to handhold at 1/15 second to test the IBIS for still life.  It worked well.  I have used the IBIS in the 24-90 lens on the original SL 601 to shoot a waterfall at slower shutter speeds and got the shot.  However, IBIS is not meant for slow shutter speeds on moving subjects unless you want them to blur, it’s meant for still objects with insufficient light to avoid camera shake and the Leica SL2 and SL2-S has done that well for my work, as did the 24-90 with the SL 601. 

[geronimosan]

On 3/8/2024 at 12:07 AM, opera207 said:

For $7000, you can have both, like Hasselblad X2D, but Leica can't offer.

The Hasselblad X2D costs $8200, so, evidently, for $7000 you can't get it with the X2D either.

[Hanno]

On 3/8/2024 at 8:28 PM, Hendo said:

Yes, I can agree on that. I had a SL2 (on sheet 6 EV) a couple of years ago and as far as I remember it was at least as good as the A7RV (on sheet 8 EV) which I currently use. However, the SL3, on sheet, has inferior IBIS than SL2 and it would be interesting to see if this is true in real world comparisons.

SL2 is up to 5.5 stops. Note “up to”.

quote: The 5-axis image stabilisation(IBIS) also compensates for up to 5.5 f-stops.

source: https://leica-camera.com/en-GB/photography/cameras/sl/sl2-black/details#:~:text=With a very high dynamic,camera shake quickly and efficiently.

Good to anyone who can tell the 0.5 stop delta in real life.

Edited March 19, 2024 by Hanno

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[algrove]

Is this thread about a talk on the IBIS stop differential between the SL2 and SL3?

I'd better spend my time shooting with my "only" 5 stop IBIS SL3 rather than reading this. Come on guys.

Edited March 19, 2024 by algrove