Travel M Lens Kit

[junix]

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5 hours ago, erl said:

Using your feet produces an optically different effect from using a different focal length. Perspective changes with moving your feet. Changing focal length changes angle of view.

Of course it does, what amazes me the most are people that say 28mm and 35mm are too close. We all get completely different photos when we use 28mm or 35mm, I just love how 35mm looks in most cases.

IMHO, what most people want to say when they “use their feet” is that they include or not something/someone in the photo (an additional tree, house, person, dog, car, whatever..). Because of the perspective the result is completely different.

[otto.f]

I bump to the wall behind me everytime I try to do it with a 50

[IkarusJohn]

10 hours ago, erl said:

Using your feet produces an optically different effect from using a different focal length. Perspective changes with moving your feet. Changing focal length changes angle of view.

Field of view.

I think there is a misconception that “moving your feet” means capturing the same field of view as you would have achieved, if you had the lens you wish you had.  For me, moving your feet means moving into a position which plays best to the lens you have.  Quite different concepts.

Edited January 18, 2024 by IkarusJohn

[erl]

35 minutes ago, IkarusJohn said:

Field of view.

I think there is a misconception that “moving your feet” means capturing the same field of view as you would have achieved, if you had the lens you wish you had.  For me, moving your feet means moving into a position which plays best to the lens you have.  Quite different concepts.

Both POV are correct. The difference lies in is one serving the lens you have, the other serving the field of view you desire.

[pgk]

50 minutes ago, erl said:

Both POV are correct. The difference lies in is one serving the lens you have, the other serving the field of view you desire.

In my experience there is one position from which both coincide to create an image.

[otto.f]

Moving your knees too.

1 hour ago, IkarusJohn said:

Field of view.

I think there is a misconception that “moving your feet” means capturing the same field of view as you would have achieved, if you had the lens you wish you had.  For me, moving your feet means moving into a position which plays best to the lens you have.  Quite different concepts.

 

[williamj]

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I've been to Japan twice, Tokyo and Kyoto. I was shooting for my own amusement and only had a 50 mm.  For myself, at no time did I feel the need for a longer lens and the 50 mm worked fine most of the time. However, some of the vistas are grand, especially in parks or near castles or temples. I missed having a wide angle lens, and would take a 28 mm along next time for sure. Cheers.

Edited January 18, 2024 by williamj

[M11 for me]

vor 16 Stunden schrieb erl:

Using your feet produces an optically different effect from using a different focal length. Perspective changes with moving your feet. Changing focal length changes angle of view.

Yes, that is definitely true. I just wonder how relevant this is. If I can do some steps foreward or backwards to find the better perspective I do these few steps before changing the lens. 

 

[IkarusJohn]

7 hours ago, erl said:

Both POV are correct. The difference lies in is one serving the lens you have, the other serving the field of view you desire.

Except that moving your feet, for example with a 35mm lens, to create the field of view of a 50mm lens will not result in the same image (the perspective has changed); similarly, cropping to 50mm isn’t the same thing either.

[erl]

5 hours ago, IkarusJohn said:

Except that moving your feet, for example with a 35mm lens, to create the field of view of a 50mm lens will not result in the same image (the perspective has changed); similarly, cropping to 50mm isn’t the same thing either.

Exactly what I originally said, just expressed slightly differently.

We are on the same page. 

[erl]

12 hours ago, pgk said:

In my experience there is one position from which both coincide to create an image.

Yes! I'm still searching for it! 

[TheBestSLIsALeicaflex]

On 1/17/2024 at 4:55 PM, erl said:

Using your feet produces an optically different effect from using a different focal length. Perspective changes with moving your feet. Changing focal length changes angle of view.

It's a trade-off -- simplicity versus the extra weight, decision making of extra gear.  You can't get every shot with just one lens and a camera, but you'll get most of them, and maybe you'll get some shots you wouldn't otherwise.  Makes you focus on environment, light and not what's in your bag.  Whats the old saying in photography -- when you have only one lens, the best lens is always on the camera, but when you have multiple lenses, the best one's almost always in the bag?  No one right answer here, everyone and their preferences, needs are different.  DOF issues is one big impediment, limitation, but it's worth it, for me, ay least for now, maybe in a few years I'll change it up agin.  

Edited January 19, 2024 by TheBestSLIsALeicaflex

[M11 for me]

vor 22 Stunden schrieb IkarusJohn:

cropping to 50mm isn’t the same thing either

Why do you believe that?

[IkarusJohn]

2 hours ago, M11 for me said:

Why do you believe that?

Why do I say that?

Aside from differing characters of lenses (eg, bokeh) which will affect lens choice, a longer lens will have greater compression.  The assumption in cropping (particularly in camera) is that the central area of an image is the same regardless of focal length - so, if you take an imgae with a 21mm lens and crop the centre, you can get the same image, including depth of field, as if you took the image with a 90mm lens.  You don’t.

If you crop off centre, the difference will be greater.

[erl]

Whether a photographer carries only one lens, or five, is a personal decision. The photographer MUST understand that each lens deliver a DIFFERENT image, regardless of where he/she is standing. For me, this give rise to wonderful creative opportunities. Using one lens is akin to a painter using only one brush! Of course it can be done, wonderfully, but it is also limited. Accept the fact and do it your own way with knowledge.

[Gelatino]

Before zoom lenses were avalaible some pros used to wear more than one body-one lens kit (remember Dennis Hooper in Apocalypse Now  http://camaracoleccion.es/Fotos_Apocalypse Now.html even if a bit caricatural)

[jimtong]

On 1/18/2024 at 11:59 AM, junix said:

Of course it does, what amazes me the most are people that say 28mm and 35mm are too close. We all get completely different photos when we use 28mm or 35mm, I just love how 35mm looks in most cases.

IMHO, what most people want to say when they “use their feet” is that they include or not something/someone in the photo (an additional tree, house, person, dog, car, whatever..). Because of the perspective the result is completely different.

I am with you on this.

[erl]

Remember that 'perspective' is only a function of your 'feet'. Not the lens.

[OR120]

20 hours ago, Gelatino said:

Before zoom lenses were avalaible some pros used to wear more than one body-one lens kit (remember Dennis Hooper in Apocalypse Now  http://camaracoleccion.es/Fotos_Apocalypse Now.html even if a bit caricatural)

so true - no time to switch lenses

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[erl]

8 minutes ago, OR120 said:

so true - no time to switch lenses

Sometimes, in some situations, you are right, but the original debate was about differences between moving your feet or changing lenses, both of which produce a totally different outcome.

If 'timing' is the issue, which it can be, then the whole criteria shifts.