Leica M11 Firmware V 2.0.1

[SamuelL]

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On 11/13/2023 at 12:12 AM, lct said:

Strange indeed, with my M11, digital zoom works only in JPG format.

DNG:

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On 11/13/2023 at 2:01 AM, SrMi said:

What post processor are you using to view DNGs?

I’m using an iPad and view them on Photo app sometimes light edit in Lightroom mobile. It was all fine in 1.6.2

[SamuelL]

On 11/13/2023 at 2:20 AM, elmars said:

It only works with Lightroom as far as I know.

Just tried again in Lightroom mobile. Only the thumbnail shows the cropped version but the DNG file remains uncropped. Maybe that’s the difference between desktop vs mobile version. 
 

[hdmesa]

16 hours ago, hmzimelka said:

I may have found a bug with 2.0.1...

Somewhat difficult to explain but here it goes. I'm hoping others can confirm or deny similar behaviour. It relates to the sharpening value in Film Style settings in camera.

I've noticed that my Live View feed was a little soft, so I went into my camera's Film Style settings to confirm if my sharpening setting was still set to 1 or 2. I set these high as it makes live view much easier for focusing.

I noticed that my sharpening setting was set to 1, but Live View doesn't reflect this. So I change fiddled with the settings and eventually set sharpening to 2, took some pictures without LV enabled, and found my reviewed images to be very sharp or over sharpened. So I thought I'd verify with LV again and zoomed in to focus, and it was soft. I took an image, and the resulting image on the LCD was soft again.

So in summary, whenever Live View is activated, the sharpening of the images are soft, no matter the sharpening setting in Film Style profile. Setting the Film Style Sharpening value is honoured only if no Live View is used. The moment Live View is activated the images are soft again.

 

I have reset the camera, and set up my camera again. But the issue persists...

You might try making sure you're set to DNG + JPEG and then experiment with where the JPEG is saved, preferably to the same storage location as the DNG. The most common setting would be DNG + JPEG to SD, so maybe try that first if you're set for something else. Otherwise it could be that sharpening changes to the film styles are not a real-time effect and are only applied at the time the JPEG is written to storage.

Also might verify your diopter setting if using the EVF.

Edited November 14, 2023 by hdmesa

[hmzimelka]

2 hours ago, hdmesa said:

You might try making sure you're set to DNG + JPEG and then experiment with where the JPEG is saved, preferably to the same storage location as the DNG. The most common setting would be DNG + JPEG to SD, so maybe try that first if you're set for something else. Otherwise it could be that sharpening changes to the film styles are not a real-time effect and are only applied at the time the JPEG is written to storage.

Also might verify your diopter setting if using the EVF.

Doesn't matter what setting. The sharpening should be honoured in DNG preview. It certainly was true in LV Feed before FW2.0.1
 

But it doesn't work in JPG either. I set sharpening to 2, take a pic without live view, and it's sharp or over sharpened. Switch live view on and take a picture, and it's soft!  The soft images stay that way afterwards in RF only shooting. I have to change sharpening setting to a lower value and then back again for it to work, but only until I use live view again and then it's soft again.  
 

Two different JPG files with the same JPG settings. 

Edited November 14, 2023 by hmzimelka

[MeelisVeeremets]

On 11/5/2023 at 9:15 PM, MeelisVeeremets said:

Hi.

 

Many many many photos are corrupted after last firmware update for M11. Picture example attached. First preview is fine but when starting to edit in Adobe Lightroom, many will corrupt. I attached an example. Ayone else having this problem? Same problem with a different editor? 

 

PS! Is it possible to downgrade firmware?

Thank you in advance,

Meelis Veeremets

 

 

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I stopped using an SD card and am taking pictures only on internal memory - still getting the same artefacts. I do not use any card reader - just copping with USB-C from the camera.

[MeelisVeeremets]

On 11/11/2023 at 3:47 PM, hjddd said:

Actually the M11 series need firmware 3.0 or above。

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[hjddd]

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1 hour ago, MeelisVeeremets said:

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I think the technicians of Leica are working on it now。

[hmzimelka]

8 hours ago, hdmesa said:

You might try making sure you're set to DNG + JPEG and then experiment with where the JPEG is saved, preferably to the same storage location as the DNG. The most common setting would be DNG + JPEG to SD, so maybe try that first if you're set for something else. Otherwise it could be that sharpening changes to the film styles are not a real-time effect and are only applied at the time the JPEG is written to storage.

Also might verify your diopter setting if using the EVF.

Here's an example... 

LV mode off. I changed my JPG Film Style sharpening from 0 to 2. 

Took a photo. Then immediately switched on LV, and took another photo. The resulting JPG files below...

[EDIT] Communication with a chap at Leica customer care. A similar issue can be observed on his camera (M11P), however, it seems to be the opposite;
"JPG film style sharpening +2 and live view creates sharper images than the same settings without live view"
He has reported both our findings to the developers...

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Edited November 14, 2023 by hmzimelka

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4 hours ago, MeelisVeeremets said:

 

I stopped using an SD card and am taking pictures only on internal memory - still getting the same artefacts. I do not use any card reader - just copping with USB-C from the camera.

That seems to work with others and some say it writes faster too. I have good luck (knock on wood) with 300 Sandisk cards or 300 Lexar cards. In the past with my M10R and M10M the Sony Tough cards played havoc with the camera. Guess Leica factory does not like Sony either.😁

[algrove]

3 hours ago, hjddd said:

I think the technicians of Leica are working on it now。

You "think" or HOPE?

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Not sure if this is a firmware 2.0.1 issue  but after updating my M11M the next day I went out to shoot with the only card I use for this camera. I did not use this SD card to download and install the firmware.

The card had a handful of pictures I had taken a couple of days apart.

I took about 5-10 frames before getting an error message that I believe said, "SD Card Cannot be used...I am not sure that is the exact message but something close.

I did not have the camera set to save to internal memory but it's set that way now.

When I got home and put the SD card in my Mac Studio, all the images were there and I had no problem with them.

I formatted the card and used it yesterday and had no issues

The card is a Hoodman Steel 128gb V60 and I have had no issues with this card or any other card on the M11M.

 

Edited November 17, 2023 by Avatar

[Photojoejoe21]

Quick question for folks.

Since installing firmware 2.0.1 I've noticed my M11 framelines light up red if the camera is not level. So like it I tilt it to the right, the right framelines will all light up red. Same thing if I tilt it to the left. Anyone else noticed this?

[JayUK]

I have found a workaround for the M11 magenta cast problem in Lr and Ps that involves a new camera profile. I found just using negative tint created a mild green cast.  This profile seems to solve the issue and can be used on all M11 DNG's. Example below.

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[jaapv]

That is a good start but it is best to shoot a full profile using an Xrite colorchecker chart and software. It is totally easy to do so. 

[jaapv]

9 hours ago, Photojoejoe21 said:

Quick question for folks.

Since installing firmware 2.0.1 I've noticed my M11 framelines light up red if the camera is not level. So like it I tilt it to the right, the right framelines will all light up red. Same thing if I tilt it to the left. Anyone else noticed this?

Seems quite practical to me. It replaces the artificial horizon in an EVF. 

[don daniel]

vor 1 Stunde schrieb JayUK:

I have found a workaround for the M11 magenta cast problem in Lr and Ps that involves a new camera profile. I found just using negative tint created a mild green cast.  This profile seems to solve the issue and can be used on all M11 DNG's. Example below.

I don't know what you did exactly. But you did a good job. The top photo shows a terrible magenta cast, just like many others in the M11 picture thread. 
I'm currently trying out the following settings, which you can also easily save as a preset in Lightroom and apply directly when importing the DNG. Important: Automatic white balance in the camera, Adobe standard profile in LR. Then these settings within the calibration tool:
Shadows Tint: -22
Red Primary, Hue: -3
See the screenshot.
At least with normal daylight photos, which I find hopelessly magenta-heavy with the white balance of the M11, it seems to work quite well without having to readjust the white balance in Lightroom. In artificial light, on the other hand, I often see no need to correct the white balance or change the profile.

 

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Edited November 19, 2023 by don daniel

[Crem]

22 hours ago, Photojoejoe21 said:

Quick question for folks.

Since installing firmware 2.0.1 I've noticed my M11 framelines light up red if the camera is not level. So like it I tilt it to the right, the right framelines will all light up red. Same thing if I tilt it to the left. Anyone else noticed this?

it is a bug (future feature?) in firmware 2.0.1. I reported it to custom service because for me it isn't consistent. I've seen the red frame lines only a few times.

[Stuart Richardson]

What about Cobalt Image? Has anyone gotten a profile from them? When I disliked the S3 profile in Lightroom, I found that their profile did a much better job, to my taste. Significantly better than my own custom profile with a color checker passport dual illuminant profile with noon summer light and a Solux 3000K halogen. Obviously one shouldn't have to buy a profile to get good colors, but at the end of the day, it costs less than a Leica lens cap and saves a lot of time in processing...

[bcaslis]

10 hours ago, Stuart Richardson said:

What about Cobalt Image? Has anyone gotten a profile from them? When I disliked the S3 profile in Lightroom, I found that their profile did a much better job, to my taste. Significantly better than my own custom profile with a color checker passport dual illuminant profile with noon summer light and a Solux 3000K halogen. Obviously one shouldn't have to buy a profile to get good colors, but at the end of the day, it costs less than a Leica lens cap and saves a lot of time in processing...

I have the Cobalt Image profile. I think it's very neutral. To be honest I like Adobe Color better but if you want a neutral color correct (not Leica colors) than it's fine.

 

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3 hours ago, bcaslis said:

I have the Cobalt Image profile. I think it's very neutral. To be honest I like Adobe Color better but if you want a neutral color correct (not Leica colors) than it's fine.

 

I have the Cobalt M11 Profile as well. It's fairly neutral, as stated above. I have used it occasionally with problematic LED lighting as the first step in achieving an acceptable overall color balance.