Q3 vs M11 same scene

[MEB]

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My neighbor's tree.  I took these photos with a new Q3 and M11 (with 35 cron).  Other than the slight lens difference, both are at same settings.  I color balanced both pics on the white garage door.  There was no other color adjustment to either pic.  Both taken with largest DNG and developed in Lightroom Classic.  I thought the posted photos would show the identity of each...they did not.  The top pic is from Q3 bottom from M11.

 

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Edited October 25, 2023 by MEB

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[bobtodrick]

Uhhh…ok?!

[clasami]

The Q3 image obviously has more punch. But then again: Both images can be made to look identical in post.

[MEB]

7 minutes ago, bobtodrick said:

Uhhh…ok?!

Sorry if I bored you.  I thought that some might be interested in how the two cameras responded to the same scene...especially as to color rendition and intensity.

[hepcat]

15 minutes ago, MEB said:

My neighbor's tree...   I thought the posted photos would show the identity of each...they did not.  The top pic is from Q3 bottom from M11.

What difference(s) were you expecting to see?

[MEB]

38 minutes ago, hepcat said:

What difference(s) were you expecting to see?

Based upon recent photos that I took of some friends in a restaurant, I expected the Q3 to have more intense "reds."  What I didn't expect was the fairly obvious difference in total contrast.  It appears to me that the Q3 is clearly more contrasty.

[hepcat]

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2 minutes ago, MEB said:

Based upon recent photos that I took of some friends in a restaurant, I expected the Q3 to have more intense "reds."  What I didn't expect was the fairly obvious difference in total contrast.  It appears to me that the Q3 is clearly more contrasty.

I'm not sure that there's really any significant difference... and what difference there is may be attributed to the Adobe raw read algorithm as much as the sensors or the dng files themselves.  Even more difficult is that we're seeing them here in a reduced size, and further processed by the forum software.   Making any kind of meaningful comparison is really difficult in these kinds of display media.   When it comes right down to it, no one can determine what photo was taken with what camera/lens/sensor combination merely by looking as the end result, even as you've done with almost no PP has SO many steps to it before it's viewable online.

 

[dpitt]

They are very close. And the differences you see may well be the differences in the lens. We are talking about a Summilux 28 compared to a Summicron 35. So nothing can be said about the camera IMO. Resolution contrast and even the colors are influenced by the lenses too. Maybe a test with Summilux 28 on the M11 would show more about the camera differences but I read somewhere that the lens on the Q3 is not the same.

[My1stLeicaCam]

More shadows or blacks and orange on Q3. 
This makes the tree pop out. 
 

[genefama]

I find that Q3 color over a broad variety of subjects is cooler and more like the M10-R, whereas the colors from the M11 have a magenta cast and less natural skintones.  Casts and skintones are tricky to rectify in post, and I wish the M11 captured colors more like the Q3 does.

[jaapv]

You say you colour balanced on the garage door, but as colour of the doors in the two images differs, something must have gone wrong at that step. However this thread has lied dormant for eight months...

[student]

9 minutes ago, jaapv said:

You say you colour balanced on the garage door, but as colour of the doors in the two images differs

Fair point

[mhasman]

Funny, we discuss here "colors" by watching digital images on digital screens. Remember, final "picture you see with your eyes" is very deferent on another monitors, laptops screens, mobile devices, deferent on LCD vs. OLED screens, it depends on color rendering processors and graphic card, even deferent on similar devices with other settings. Most modern devices adjust screen picture by outside type of light and brightness. It is even deferent on the single device if opening with another web browser. Just open this post with Safari and Google Chrome, you'll be surprised. 

Edited July 10, 2024 by mhasman

[Aram Langhans]

What might be more interesting is to see how each camera handles things like high ISO, underexposed shadows that are recovered, highlights.  Things that present a challenge to a camera.

[tom0511]

to me the Q3 image looks a bit too saturated and the M11 image slightly more natural. I would asume that its more a profile thing of adobe than a lens thing.

 

[Einst_Stein]

Neither are impressive. To me it is which is worse. It would be easier if you post something to compare which is better.

Edited October 31, 2024 by Einst_Stein

[jjroroek]

when i still had my m11 I prefered slightly the bottom picture . after i sold my M11 and I got a Q3 I slightly prefer the first Picture 🙂they call that cognitive dissonance

Edited November 2, 2024 by jjroroek

[Viv]

The main difference between the two cameras is the shooting process.

On is manual focus only, the other gives options in this respect.

I would not expect significant differences in unprocessed jpg images made in quick succession with the same ISO, White Balance, shutter and aperture settings.

Having said that, it's possible that shots with large bright areas would look different - the cameras meter differently, the Q3 meter is better than the M11 meter.

It's a pity that the  two images were colour-adjusted in post.

 

Edited November 2, 2024 by Viv

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