Q3 "in Camera" perspective correction in Capture One

[wlaidlaw]

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From what I see in a whole lot of images from my recent trip to Valencia, Capture One is not showing the in camera perspective correction I had turned on quite a lot of the time (on/off on the Button 2 on the Q3).I was taking most of these images sitting on a mobility scooter, so my framing possibilities were more limited than if I had been on foot. Is there a setting I have to activate to get the perspective correction to be applied to the DNG's I have imported. The JPEGs which I have in a separate folder appear to show the correction as I would expect it. 

Wilson

PS Clicking "Auto" in Keystone correction appears to correct the picture to what I would have expected the "in camera" correction to have done - is this the answer? 

Edited October 23, 2023 by wlaidlaw

[Anakronox]

I can’t speak to the lack of support for perspective control in C1 for the Q3 as I only shoot the Q2 and Q2M. However, I’ve noticed that C1’s auto perspective is a little overzealous.  I find I need to click it, then dial it down to ~70-75%.  Hope this helps some. 

[SrMi]

C1 does not support Leica's perspective corrections or crop information any Leica camera generates (SL2, M10, M11, Q3).

Adobe is supposed to support it, but as far as I know, it has not implemented it yet for Q3.

[M11 for me]

vor 25 Minuten schrieb SrMi:

C1 does not support Leica's perspective corrections

Lightroom does not either.

Its a marketing gag at the moment. That feature was one reason to buy a Q3. For the M11 it worked from the beginning. 

[SrMi]

57 minutes ago, M11 for me said:

Lightroom does not either.

Its a marketing gag at the moment. That feature was one reason to buy a Q3. For the M11 it worked from the beginning. 

Lightroom supports it for SL2, M10, and M11. 
It was not supported in Q3 at launch time because of a bug. Leica claims that it was fixed in the latest Adobe release. Can you confirm? I will have access to my Q3 next week to test.

[wlaidlaw]

1 hour ago, Anakronox said:

I can’t speak to the lack of support for perspective control in C1 for the Q3 as I only shoot the Q2 and Q2M. However, I’ve noticed that C1’s auto perspective is a little overzealous.  I find I need to click it, then dial it down to ~70-75%.  Hope this helps some. 

Totally agree, about 72% keystone correction on C1, seems about right for my eyesight. Annoying that Leica include a feature but have not got it supported by either of their principal RAW converters. For the huge loading we pay for Leica equipment, I expect better. 

Wilson

 

[wlaidlaw]

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10 minutes ago, SrMi said:

Lightroom supports it for SL2, M10, and M11. 
It was not supported in Q3 at launch time because of a bug. Leica claims that it was fixed in the latest Adobe release. Can you confirm? I will have access to my Q3 next week to test.

I have to admit to not being terribly familiar with LR being a C1 user for over 20 years. I assume the function would be in the Transform tab in the Develop module and there should be an option to use "In Camera" correction which I cannot see.  This is in LR Classic 13.0.1. 

Wilson

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10 hours ago, wlaidlaw said:

I have to admit to not being terribly familiar with LR being a C1 user for over 20 years. I assume the function would be in the Transform tab in the Develop module and there should be an option to use "In Camera" correction which I cannot see.  This is in LR Classic 13.0.1. 

Wilson

With the m11 you use the "Guided" button in the "Transform" tab. Instead of the normal manual perspective correction cursor appearing the photo adjusts automatically using the embedded perspective metadata. This is not working for me with the Q3 on LRc 13.0.1

 

[SrMi]

11 hours ago, wlaidlaw said:

I have to admit to not being terribly familiar with LR being a C1 user for over 20 years. I assume the function would be in the Transform tab in the Develop module and there should be an option to use "In Camera" correction which I cannot see.  This is in LR Classic 13.0.1. 

Wilson

It has been discussed in this thread. Let me know if you need more help.

 

[wlaidlaw]

18 minutes ago, SrMi said:

It has been discussed in this thread. Let me know if you need more help.

 

I can get and have got it to activate in the camera (as I have mentioned in my posts above) and have perspective correction set to on/off on the option button #2 on my Q3. However if that is not carried forward to DNG/RAW processing, as far as I can ascertain, the feature is pointless. At present auto perspective correction from the camera's image metadata does not work in either of the current versions of C1 or LR. Yes one can do manual correction but that was possible anyway without any in camera correction. I have reported this to both Adobe and Phase One. 

Wilson

[M11 for me]

Thank you, Wilson

I could not try out as I am still with the "old" LRc version. But when I take the statements from different coleagues above and elsewhere then the PC does not work yet which is a disgrace.

On the other hand when applying PC in camera then at least you can ensure that all desired elements are well within your frame. This is a small consolation when you work on your photograph in LRc.

[SrMi]

20 minutes ago, wlaidlaw said:

I can get and have got it to activate in the camera (as I have mentioned in my posts above) and have perspective correction set to on/off on the option button #2 on my Q3. However if that is not carried forward to DNG/RAW processing, as far as I can ascertain, the feature is pointless. At present auto perspective correction from the camera's image metadata does not work in either of the current versions of C1 or LR. Yes one can do manual correction but that was possible anyway without any in camera correction. I have reported this to both Adobe and Phase One. 

Wilson

If I can confirm that it does not work with Q3 (next week), I will bug Leica again that they push for Adobe to fix it. Leica engineers were under the impression that it is supported with the latest updates.

 

 

[M11 for me]

Sorry, I went a bit off topic. Here its about C1.

[wlaidlaw]

44 minutes ago, M11 for me said:

Sorry, I went a bit off topic. Here its about C1.

Neither C1 nor LRc appear to enable perspective correction. I don't use the Cloud version LR as I don't want to work half on the cloud and half off. In fact I very rarely use LR at all. 

Wilson

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Information from Adobe re Q3 Perspective Support.

The issue is bing moved to a "Feature Request" which seems to demonstrate a big gap in expectations between Leica and Adobe.

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-ideas/p-perspective-correction-from-camera-metadata-not-supported-for-leica-q3/idc-p/14204926#M20340

Thanks to @wlaidlaw for helping push this forward.

[wlaidlaw]

I will put it to Phase One that they don't want to be shown up by Adobe and maybe that will gee them up, as at present, not even the M10-R, M11 and M11-P models have auto keystone correction from the metadata, which LR does. 

Wilson

[SrMi]

5 hours ago, wlaidlaw said:

I will put it to Phase One that they don't want to be shown up by Adobe and maybe that will gee them up, as at present, not even the M10-R, M11 and M11-P models have auto keystone correction from the metadata, which LR does. 

Wilson

AFAIK, C1 (now a different company from Phase One, but closely related) does not support any embedded metadata in Leica's DNG files (e.g., cropping information)