M11-D?

[fenykepesz]

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vor 47 Minuten schrieb Overgaard:

M-D 262 was $5,500 and M10-D was $7,000. M60 with lens was $18,000.

'small' correction - the official price of the M10-D' at that time in 2019 was USD:8K (not 7K), and something similar in EURO.  i don't recall having seen 7K - apart for those  exceptionally lucky and rare special circumstances that some of us were able to enjoy....

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[jdlaing]

1 hour ago, fenykepesz said:

'small' correction - the official price of the M10-D' at that time in 2019 was USD:8K (not 7K), and something similar in EURO.  i don't recall having seen 7K - apart for those  exceptionally lucky and rare special circumstances that some of us were able to enjoy....

 

Edited January 29, 2024 by jdlaing

[LeicaM60]

Leica defined the M60 as: “The Essence of Photography”

They defined the M10-D as: “Digital Body. Analog Soul”

How will Leica define the M11-D? “The Essence of Soulless Body”?

 

 

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[Stevejack]

I've been thinking about a potential M11-D tie-in with the 70th anniversary of the M3. 

If they draw styling guides from the M3 it could be one incredible camera. Coming up with a wish list, I would love to see;

• Framed viewfinder + rangefinder windows just like on the M3. No more fingers unintentionally sliding over the glass and making the rangefinder view murky. 
• Option to use the camera 'meterless' so the shutter reverts to the standard close>open>close of the M10 series. In this mode, the exposure indicator disappears from the view. The M3 never had a meter so including this mode as an option would be a nice homage. 
• Brass body with black paint
• Uncluttered framelines... man oh man would it be nice to just see stand-alone 28 / 35 / 50 framelines but I can't see how it would be possible with the existing lens mount designs. One can dream. 
• Full menu system visible in the Visoflex when attached. 

I feel like with the 70th anniversary of the M3 this year it would be perfect timing for the M11-D but who knows 🤷‍♂️

 

[evikne]

Regardless of what the camera will look like, I'm most curious about how to "communicate" with it. Will it still rely on the Fotos app for all settings except exposure? Will the connection be faster and more seamless than on the M10-D? My IR car key has a hidden physical key inside, which can be used when the battery is empty. Will the M11-D be future-proofed so it can also be used without an app?

[Stevejack]

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2 hours ago, gigithephotographer said:

 

Well it was a fun dream 😆

[Datsch]

@Stevejack I hope the M70 delights and astounds us as much as the M60 did, whether it is a -D camera or not. After all, the evolutionary pathway of the -D is aleady set: M60, M-D, M10-D, M11-D etc etc.

Mind you I wouldn't say no to an M11-D that had:

No framelines at all

No meter at all

ISO fixed eg at 400

I'm not that into brassing though, something more durable please!

[IkarusJohn]

11 hours ago, evikne said:

Regardless of what the camera will look like, I'm most curious about how to "communicate" with it. Will it still rely on the Fotos app for all settings except exposure? Will the connection be faster and more seamless than on the M10-D? My IR car key has a hidden physical key inside, which can be used when the battery is empty. Will the M11-D be future-proofed so it can also be used without an app?

The M10-D works perfectly without the FotosApp.  It would be great if the connection was faster and more robust, I’d have to say, but I don’t use it much.

My M10-D has gone back to Germany, I’m afraid (sigh).  I only ever used the app for reviewing images when out and about (in a café or similar).  I don’t chimp, I leave white balance on auto, or at a fixed setting and I tend to set ISO at 100 so there really isn’t a setting I need the app for.  The way I look at it, I have my M-A (meterless), Monochrom (Auto-ISO) and M10-D all set up roughly the same in use - aperture, shutter, focus, compose.

I did use Fotos with my SL (mostly remote triggering) and I also use Phocus mobile in the same way, or would do if my XCD 38V lens hadn’t broken down.

More and more, I’m tempted to ditch every digital camera and lens, and just use my M-A.  My M10-D came back from a lengthy heart transplant (at considerable cost), only to find that a part had not been replaced (Fotos wouldn’t connect), so it’s gone back to Germany; the leaf shutter in my Hasselblad 38V (my only lens for that camera) has stopped working; I took my V-E 24-90 lens into the local dealer for sale, and I’ve just been told it needs repair (what repair, I don’t know - it’s worked perfectly for me).

I think I’ll stick to my M lenses and M cameras for the future.  I won’t replace any digital camera gear when it dies - every single digital Leica has crapped out on me.  It’s only a matter of time before my X2D fails - it’s 6 months old, it’s probably due …

[newtoleica]

My M10-P had just come back from 3 consecutive trips to Leica with the previous owner when I bought it.

1. Cosmetic replacement of LCD

2. Fix for misapplied 'leather' covers.

3. Reconnecting of WiFi that hadn't been connected properly on repair (sounds like yours)

Seems Leica repair is a bit of a shambles....... would hate to have to rely on it!

[fenykepesz]

Am 15.2.2024 um 13:22 schrieb Datsch:

@Stevejack I hope the M70 delights and astounds us as much as the M60 did, whether it is a -D camera or not. After all, the evolutionary pathway of the -D is aleady set: M60, M-D, M10-D, M11-D etc etc.

 

Am 15.2.2024 um 04:57 schrieb evikne:

Will the M11-D be future-proofed so it can also be used without an app?

i guess, looking at yesterday's LeicaRumors, we - @evikne and @Stevejack and many others in this forum - are slowly but surely edging closer towards seeing a new 'D' camera, the M11-D, right ?  if it would just include that cursed thumb rest then i will be utterly happy, but we shall see - hopefully soon !

[evikne]

When rumors start swirling, it suggests that something is afoot. I just wonder if the M11-D will be as beautiful a camera as its predecessor. I'm very excited.

[evikne]

2 minutes ago, gigithephotographer said:

No thumb rest.

😭

[fenykepesz]

vor 23 Minuten schrieb gigithephotographer:

No thumb rest.

that's quite sad, right @evikne ?  at least one has now time enough to order one of those foldable thumb rests from HongKong, they are anyway on backorder.  thank you anyway, @gigithephotographer.

[evikne]

1 hour ago, fenykepesz said:

that's quite sad, right @evikne ?  at least one has now time enough to order one of those foldable thumb rests from HongKong

The ones I've seen weren't nearly as nice as the one on the M10-D. If Leica has chosen to move away from it, I think it's very sad, but maybe they decided that they wanted as clean a design as possible, or some other reason. Maybe I can understand that. Or maybe not. It depends on what else they can tempt us with.  If it's nothing special, maybe my next camera will be a nicely used M10-D instead.

[AndreasG]

vor 1 Stunde schrieb evikne:

maybe my next camera will be a nicely used M10-D instead.

So you better had kept your M10-D?

[evikne]

5 minutes ago, AndreasG said:

So you better had kept your M10-D?

I've never had an M10-D, only a regular M10. 

[AndreasG]

My apology, I thought you had a M10-D.

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[Stevejack]

This will be an interesting one. I really enjoy using the M10-D and I like the built in thumb rest.  When you read initial impressions and early reviews of the M10-D it was highly criticised for the 'fake lever'. I think most users who own the camera now seem to like the built in thumb rest, but that's looking at it years later and of course those who own one now aren't going to mind the lever... otherwise they would have sold it by now or not bought one in the first place.

When you look how slow the sales of the M10-d were I can imagine Leica is wanting to try to come out with a camera that doesn't have too many divisive features. Just a plain old M11 without a screen. 

I really think if they gave us a brass + black paint edition M11-D it would sell like hot cakes. With the anniversary of the M3 this year I was also hoping for framed windows on the M11-D... a truly 'special edition' camera different to anything else out there.   I'm just not so sure that a plain old M11 without a screen will have enough going for it to be widely popular but who knows. 

[fenykepesz]

vor 51 Minuten schrieb Stevejack:

This will be an interesting one. I really enjoy using the M10-D and I like the built in thumb rest.  When you read initial impressions and early reviews of the M10-D it was highly criticised for the 'fake lever'. I think most users who own the camera now seem to like the built in thumb rest, but that's looking at it years later and of course those who own one now aren't going to mind the lever... otherwise they would have sold it by now or not bought one in the first place.

When you look how slow the sales of the M10-d were I can imagine Leica is wanting to try to come out with a camera that doesn't have too many divisive features. Just a plain old M11 without a screen. 

I really think if they gave us a brass + black paint edition M11-D it would sell like hot cakes. With the anniversary of the M3 this year I was also hoping for framed windows on the M11-D... a truly 'special edition' camera different to anything else out there.   I'm just not so sure that a plain old M11 without a screen will have enough going for it to be widely popular but who knows. 

i can't agree more with what you wrote before, @Stevejack, same thought here.

but what about a stylish thumb-rest lever that fits the overall 'Bauhaus' design of the hypothetical m11d ?  i admit the thumb rest on the m10d isn't very stylish, not that it disturbs me, but it's just plain ergonomical i.e. functional, while injecting a bit of Porsche genes would perhaps help the case for adding a new elegant thumb-rest to the m11d.

Edited March 22, 2024 by fenykepesz