M11-D?

[evikne]

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1 hour ago, newtoleica said:

The thumb dial is for EV correction.... I use it continually on my Ms.

Essential function.  IMHO it ought to be made a wheel with visible settings like on the Sony A7 series.

If they didn’t need it on the analog M’s, we don’t need it on the digital M’s either. 😉

[jpark114]

I like the idea of the D variant.

However, I don’t understand the design choices made for the M11D.

If I were to use a screenless digital camera, I would prefer a more purist operation, meaning I’d like to have more manual controls and knobs.

I mean, why remove the ISO dial from the M11? At least they could keep the same ISO dial and use the back dial as an exposure compensation dial.

What about that thumb dial? The customization button and thumb dial features on the M11 are good, but without a viewfinder indicator, having so many customizable functions is kind of moot, isn’t it? The design suggests they really want users to rely on a Visoflex.

[pedaes]

1 hour ago, jpark114 said:

why remove the ISO dial

Probably because they can put many more ISO values on a larger circumference dial. 

[jdlaing]

5 hours ago, fenykepesz said:

autsch, that hurts...!

 

CORRECTION : i actually misread your post, @sebben, sorry about that !  i thought you speak about the thumb *rest* - not the thumb dial.  but i agree with you, what's the purpose of that thumb dial ?  i never ever use it on my m10d.  time/date i synchronize via that clunky fotos app.

For very quick exposure comp.

[fenykepesz]

vor 33 Minuten schrieb jdlaing:

For very quick exposure comp.

i see, EC is surely a useful thing - but in my case, i am kind of old school and depend on four buttons :

  [ time , apperture , asa/iso , focus ]

i never use any of the 'A' positions and that's why i feel very lucky that the four buttons in the m11d's case are indeed all physical dials ! (as in the other 'D' cameras too).

 

Edited September 6, 2024 by fenykepesz

[Datsch]

5 hours ago, rxj said:

In before other rumor sites pick this up. M11-D being announced first and Q3 43 after.

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I like the red 'A' on the ISO dial. Not that I would ever use auto-ISO, but I think this little splash of Leica red on the otherwise monochrome back helps a lot.

I was initally put off that the rear ISO dial was not traditional M-D/M60 silver, but the black is growing on me now ...

I also note that this illustration has a 2023 50 'lux so presumably you have to watch you don't go shorter than the 70cm detent, or perhaps be ready to pop on a Visoflex EVF for closer focus opportunities ....

[newtoleica]

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1 hour ago, jdlaing said:

For very quick exposure comp.

Exactly. I use the M as a street camera and constantly tweak the thumb dial as I judge changing shadow/backlight conditions for what I'm shooting. It's almost an instinctual reflex now and very quick. if I shot manual I would take a base reading then change the shutter speed, but we have AE so I use that instead of a base reading.

[NigelG]

It looks interesting but I’m sticking with the 24MP original (no faux wind-on lever/EVF/connectivity/apps/“touch of Leica red”…….or of course strap lugs 🫨

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[grahamc]

6 hours ago, Big John said:

Will be interesting to see how the user interface works - and how the connection to phone app works too.  
 

Personally, would rather Leica addressed M11 platform glitches and their customer service turnaround times.  Those 2 things are what stop ne buying into the M system right now. 

I agree with this.  I had a lengthy (and ultimately unsatisfactory) experience with Leica service, as well as a lack-lustre experience testing the M11.  

So these days I'm not looking seriously at any new Leica products at all, particularly at the extortionate pricing.  I'm very happy with my 10-D and vintage glass, and added Hass X2D for high MP camera. 

Edited September 6, 2024 by grahamc

[IkarusJohn]

9 hours ago, rxj said:

In before other rumor sites pick this up. M11-D being announced first and Q3 43 after.

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None of that looks enticing, and much of it discouraging - I don’t want t enquire how t change the resolution (I don’t think I want to know).

[IkarusJohn]

48 minutes ago, grahamc said:

I agree with this.  I had a lengthy (and ultimately unsatisfactory) experience with Leica service, as well as a lack-lustre experience testing the M11.  

So these days I'm not looking seriously at any new Leica products at all, particularly at the extortionate pricing.  I'm very happy with my 10-D and vintage glass, and added Hass X2D for high MP camera. 

I agree entirely.

I had my 24-90 zoom for sale - no takers; so, like my SL(601), it’s another thing I will use til it dies.  Further XCD lens purchases on hold until that happens.  Sold the last of my TL lenses, so the TL2 is relegated to a pocketable camera with the APO 35 Summicron-M or 28 Summaron (mostly cycling).

I have 3 M cameras and a nice collection of M lenses I don’t feel the need to add to.  When I get my M10-D back (if?), it will be paired up with the Monochrom.  I probably won’t replace either when they die …

[algrove]

So what does “customizable FN button” exactly mean and where is it? Also can one use evf viso if wanted?

Edited September 7, 2024 by algrove

[costa43]

3 hours ago, algrove said:

So what does “customizable FN button” exactly mean and where is it? Also can one use evf viso if wanted?

The function button is going to be just to the right of the shutter button. There are some photos of the camera now online at Leica rumors. I think it’s very likely that it will visoflex compatible. 

[st4u]

@T25UFO

„Now, back on topic, should I swap my M10R Black Paint for M11D?  Just have to get over the fact that the finish is only cosmetic!“
 

M10-R BP the other favorite, I don‘t own. I would never do that! For a M11? You should take a M5 instead…
I will keep, use and treat lovingly my M10-D  the last digital M6 with sweet spot. In the 90ies my dream was the M6 with digital storage 24x36 resolution was about 18-20 MP. the costst for filme was incredible high for me as a student.

M6 was famous for its mechanic, its silence, was therefore allowed to use at court or in the museum and was stable from Africa to Antarctic. I only needed one service in 25 years!

20 years later the M10-D= M6 copy with Digital storage abilities, almost the same body. Also Happy, let‘s see how long it will work.

What I can see now with the M11-D? You can save expensive film costs in change for almost 10K EUR overloeaded electronic gear. Not talking about the puristic of the paint, the bottom plate, the real thumb rest aso.
Guys come on: for 10k EUR you can buy purism M6 plus Summilux 35 and thousands of film developing or a summilux 50 included. Just my opinion.

cheers

Chris

 

[downstairs]

I am keen to know it there will be focus-peaking in the Visoflex. My camera is always below waist-level. I only do still-life and rely on the Visoflex without ever looking at the M's screen.  

"you.com", the AI search engine, could be hallucinating, but it says with certainty that "The Leica M11-D does indeed support focus peaking when used with the electronic viewfinder ..."  .

[Smudgerer]

I'm just wondering whether with all the euphoria around the real possibility that the M11-D will at long last be coming out of hiding very soon if anyone who's on the lists to receive one is nervous firmware-wise about this long delayed release of this camera, I certainly would be, am, given the past number of year's record with the M11 since it's debut.

I got a message from my regular dealer the other day that I was on such a "list"!............H'mm???, I hadn't asked to be put on "a list" at anytime because with all of the M11's firmware and operating problems I've been more than content to stay in  the M10 universe but I guess my dealer knows me better than I think I know myself when it comes to Leica "stuff" which is quite troubling. I'm of two minds, more than two minds, whether or not to admit to more than a passing desire for another M D having sold my troubled one earlier this year, back to Leica in fact. I loved my M10-D but it was like that proverbial adorable dog that ate the sofa too many times and eventually we had to part ways, however it was and easily still is my favourite digital M so far, hence my annoying interest in the M11-D..............BUT it's fellow M11's record of the past years since the initial release is something of a cold shower when I think that this camera would be perhaps even more reliant on firmaware / software to be able to function because of the absence of a LCD, and add to that Leica's support and total lack of development on the M10-D from it's release is something to keep in mind too, would it be the same with the M11-D?

What I would miss would be the M10-D's faux wind lever, that was for me a stroke of whimsical genius on Leica's part, but then recently, with my M10-D gone out the door I realized that the humble Thumbie that is and has been on all my recent Leica's would do the trick just as well, some emotion and a smile or two would go, but the function would be just fine with another Thumbie.

Anyway again, is there any firmware angst out there regarding the incoming new Leica M11-D? I would be keen to know if anyone has the same hesitations.

Edited September 7, 2024 by Smudgerer
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[RF’sDelight]

I can’t help but thinking that some M11-D design decisions aren’t made by thoughts on ergonomics or customer wishes but simply by optimising production and sliming down costs, even in tiny amounts. Aluminium instead of brass (lower material costs, easier machining), less CNC angles & holes (faster machining?), less knobs (M11 ISO dial), less parts (M10-D thumb rest).

My very own conspiracy theory. 😎

[algrove]

Can anyone point to an official Leica comment indicating that Viso EVF use is alllowed on M11D and what features will be allowed? Can the viso be used just like a regular M11 with viso use?

[IkarusJohn]

2 hours ago, algrove said:

Can anyone point to an official Leica comment indicating that Viso EVF use is alllowed on M11D and what features will be allowed? Can the viso be used just like a regular M11 with viso use?

I don’t think there has been ant Leica announcement.

The M10-D is compatible with the Visoflex (2nd gen).  It’s fair to assume that the modification to the base M11-D will be to remove what isn’t needed.  I can’t imagine why they would remove the Visoflex compatibility.

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[Robert Blanko]

I'm not sure whether the ISO dial on the back side is a practical solution or whether this would be prone to accidentally changing the ISO when the camera is hanging over the shoulder and may slightly rub against the shirt / jacket . But of course it looks more "retro".