elmars Posted August 30, 2023 Share #21 Posted August 30, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) I was in Tokyo in March and for the first three days it rained lightly all day. The M11 with lens was hanging over my shoulder for several hours, it was not in the bag. From time to time I wiped off raindrops. The camera and lens endured all this without any problems - better than me, I was cold and wet. Our forum friend Jono Slack also uses his M11 in all (southern English) weather. He never had any problems either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bitbooll Posted August 30, 2023 Author Share #22 Posted August 30, 2023 25 minutes ago, elmars said: I was in Tokyo in March and for the first three days it rained lightly all day. The M11 with lens was hanging over my shoulder for several hours, it was not in the bag. From time to time I wiped off raindrops. The camera and lens endured all this without any problems - better than me, I was cold and wet. Our forum friend Jono Slack also uses his M11 in all (southern English) weather. He never had any problems either. Thanks a lot, elmars, for the reassurance. I will, nevertheless, try to keep my M11M as dry as possible, with some minor exceptions when it's absolutely crucial to use it in in the rain/snow :). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted August 30, 2023 Share #23 Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) FWIW, the SL2 is IP 54 rated, and the SL lenses are weather sealed. While I’ve used my M cameras in light rain, etc since the 80’s without issue, I’ll use my SL system in obviously snowy/rainy conditions if I know I’m going to be out for extended periods with camera exposed. With climate change, however, those wintry conditions seem increasingly rare, but the SL2 with zoom can still serve complementary needs to the M. Regardless, I carry insurance for all circumstances outside warranty, so I never really worry about these matters, other than the potential inconvenience of damage or loss. Common sense rules. Some things can ruin cameras/lenses despite IP ratings. https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2022/10/how-to-quickly-ruin-your-camera-and-lens/ Jeff Edited August 30, 2023 by Jeff S 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted August 30, 2023 Share #24 Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) Being lucky does not mean that it is okay to recommend people to use their non weather resistant camera under the rain. Proceed at your own risk. I’ve seen a decade ago in Beaumarchais Leica store a quote of 3000€ without tax for a water damaged M typ 240, despite having rubber gasket. It was only two months old and only got once under the rain. Water damaged is not covered by warranty. Lucky stories exist but horror ones also. If you can fit the bill, why not. If not there are other cameras with official IP ratings. X-U IP68 which is excellent. SL2 is IP54 which is ok. Q2/Q3 are IP52 which is meh However M11 has no IP rating at all. Meaning no weather sealing whatsoever ? Edited August 30, 2023 by nicci78 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted August 30, 2023 Share #25 Posted August 30, 2023 What is weird is that M typ 240 and M10 used to have marketing elements about rubber gasket and weather resistance. Here in french for M10. The English page is already offline. But nothing about M11 which is weird. Did Leica remove weather resistance without saying anything ? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/381394-whats-the-point-of-m11-being-weather-resistant-if-m-lenses-are-not/?do=findComment&comment=4846723'>More sharing options...
jakontil Posted August 31, 2023 Share #26 Posted August 31, 2023 10 hours ago, nicci78 said: What is weird is that M typ 240 and M10 used to have marketing elements about rubber gasket and weather resistance. Here in french for M10. The English page is already offline. But nothing about M11 which is weird. Did Leica remove weather resistance without saying anything ? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Im sure they didnt remove it, it’s just they dont want to be held responsible for what they said m11 without the baseplate despite having usb c port, should be better weather shielded compared to previous generation 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted August 31, 2023 Share #27 Posted August 31, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 22 minutes ago, jakontil said: m11 without the baseplate despite having usb c port, should be better weather shielded compared to previous generation Jono thought so… https://www.slack.co.uk/leica-m11-monochrom.html Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted August 31, 2023 Share #28 Posted August 31, 2023 The fact that the USB-C port of the M11 is sealed comes from Leica. Why should the M11 have less wheather protection than the M10? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted August 31, 2023 Share #29 Posted August 31, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, elmars said: wheather protection I guess we can consider this protection from a bad spell of weather. Jeff Edited August 31, 2023 by Jeff S 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 31, 2023 Share #30 Posted August 31, 2023 The lenses are not easily damaged by rain as there are no electronic parts inside. I recall no rain-damaged Ms reported on this forum. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted August 31, 2023 Share #31 Posted August 31, 2023 I got absolutely swamped several times photographing breakers in Hawaii. Wiped the camera and lens down with what was left dry of my shirt, and went back to shooting. Wiped everything down with fresh water back at the condo. No ill affects. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 4 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/381394-whats-the-point-of-m11-being-weather-resistant-if-m-lenses-are-not/?do=findComment&comment=4847522'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 31, 2023 Share #32 Posted August 31, 2023 A full wave went over my M8 and Summilux 50 asph sitting in an open boat on Lake Niasa The camera stood in the middle of a puddle but was none the worse after wiping dry. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted August 31, 2023 Share #33 Posted August 31, 2023 Great anecdotes. I’ve had much worse luck with gear that claimed to be weather sealed. Fujifilm GF 63 for the GFX — so much as sneeze on that lens, and it will get moisture inside it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakontil Posted September 1, 2023 Share #34 Posted September 1, 2023 6 hours ago, Al Brown said: Well, to continue the tales, there was moisture and water droplets in my Noctilux 50/0.95 form a three week assignment in Indonesia's East Nusa Tenggara. Never exposed to rain, sea or any other moisture but the damp air. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! This is the rear flange of the lens? Man how did it get there… indonesia is quite humid as being tropical especially where you went to.. i often went there for my days off, and the sea was actually i m afraid most usually being sticky after a trip in focusing barrel.. but i went live with it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 1, 2023 Share #35 Posted September 1, 2023 And do note that condensation can kill cameras. Even if they have an IP rating or are generally water resistant. There is nothing about condensation in the IP norm. We had a member total-loss his M8 by keeping it in his tent in a rucksack for a day on a Greenland expedition. Silica gel is the best defense. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted September 1, 2023 Share #36 Posted September 1, 2023 Yeah, humidity is a different beast from external water exposure (of course fully dunking an M and it's toast, as a friend with an M6 found out recently). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 1, 2023 Share #37 Posted September 1, 2023 1 hour ago, charlesphoto99 said: Yeah, humidity is a different beast from external water exposure (of course fully dunking an M and it's toast, as a friend with an M6 found out recently). Tina Manley dunked her M8 in a river once and it survived as have some others; we even had a dunked camera club for a while. I wouldn’t recommend becoming a member. 😜 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted September 1, 2023 Share #38 Posted September 1, 2023 When I was in high school, I ruined a Minolta XD11 on a rafting trip. Quite an expensive camera at the time, esp for a single working Mom. Boy was she mad, and rightfully so. Haven't done that since, though a few years ago in Hawaii one night, coming back from dinner we decided to have a night swim at the pool. I accidentally stepped into the three foot kiddie pool, with M10 in hand. Thankfully I stayed upright, and quickly thrust the camera skyward as I hit the water. A river or pool will always be just that much better than the ocean if one is to join the club, lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwimac Posted September 3, 2023 Share #39 Posted September 3, 2023 On 8/29/2023 at 11:32 PM, MyLeicaWorld said: We had an issue when we were in Vietnam. It was a very humid weather .. We were staying at a hotel, and we go out for shooting ..When we go out my Leica M 11’s lens got foggy and also my wife’s Leica CL’s lens got foggy too.. we tried to wipe out the fog (humid) but it didn’t work out. Then we went back to the hotel’s air conditioned lobby; after staying there for a few minutes we go out again, and the fog was gone.. the fog (humid) was not at the lens’s filter surface.. it was somewhere inside the lens .. I’ve shot a lot in humid SEA and that issue comes with any camera. I used to keep mine on the balcony if feasible. Alternatively, rubbing the fogged up lens vigorously with a microfibre cloth warms the glass through friction and will make the condensation depart. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted September 3, 2023 Share #40 Posted September 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Kiwimac said: Alternatively, rubbing the fogged up lens vigorously with a microfibre cloth warms the glass through friction and will make the condensation depart. I saw that former lens of yours for sale a few years ago. It was like looking through a frosted window.😉 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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