Worth Jumping Into The S?

[markc2]

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3 hours ago, Stuart Richardson said:

I have not watched Ready Player One, but it does sound to me like you missed an opportunity here. If you press the Fn button it will cycle through degrees of data in the viewfinder. You can make it so there is essentially nothing in the way, a light amount of information on just the bottom row of the VF, or the full monty, which could include a grid, artificial horizon, all the modes and info etc. I typically use the middle option, which is very similar to the information that the S provides in the digital menu under the ovf.

 

Thank you! I just figured that was the way it was, and I never thought to ask the salesperson. I'm still getting around to the fact that Camera's now have firmware/software updates along with the LENSES!!!

 

 

Edited December 4, 2023 by markc2

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[John McMaster]

11 hours ago, Einst_Stein said:

My oldest digital technology is Digilux 4.3, a 1MP camera, which recorded on floppy disk, and was made by Fujifilm. 
“old”  or “obsolete” technology camera depends most likely on the competent or incompetent of the holder. 

Or what you are doing with it, e.g. printing large

john

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[Pieter12]

7 hours ago, John McMaster said:

Or what you are doing with it, e.g. printing large

john

Does anyone print large unless for sales or gallery exhibits? How many large prints can you display? I'm talking over 30x40"

[Stuart Richardson]

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33 minutes ago, Pieter12 said:

Does anyone print large unless for sales or gallery exhibits? How many large prints can you display? I'm talking over 30x40"

You kind of answered your own question…most large prints are for gallery sales or museum shows. But I also occasionally get people asking me to print large photos of their work for their own use. 

[Googaliser]

Full S system available here in case anyone wishes to make the jump....

 

[Einst_Stein]

22 hours ago, John McMaster said:

Or what you are doing with it, e.g. printing large

john

I don't have a good printer setup because i don't have enough volume to justify it.  I watch pictures mostly on 85" 8K TV. 

[Einst_Stein]

8 hours ago, Googaliser said:

Full S system available here in case anyone wishes to make the jump....

 

I got S3 from MPB, like new, for ~$8k, after the 5% first purchase discount.  The 70mm would be slightly less than $1K, and other lenses on average would be about $2K+.

This is a right time to take the advantage.  

[davidmknoble]

On 9/6/2023 at 8:14 AM, BernardC said:

The GFX is supposedly due for a minor facelift, but I doubt it will introduce any big changes. How is it desperately obsolete? Is there a competitive product that isn't obsolete? I can only think of the X2D, which isn't very different.

@BernardC, late to your post, but just wanted to comment. The Hasselblad X2D is a large jump from their X1 system and the best I can tell (I have never used one) very different from the GFX in a few ways.  The X2D is what the new Leica S mirrorless should be with added sealing like the existing S / SL systems.  It has a real 16-bit color container and each sensor is color calibrated in the factory on its own.  It has 7-stop IBIS and after playing now for a month with it, I have used the Leica R APO 180 f/2.8 and Leica R APO 90 f/2 on the body with zero vignetting and incredible image quality.  It also has a full 15 stop dynamic range.  I haven’t figured out if the dynamic range is just under or equal to the S3 (and won’t spend the time), but the images are incredible out of camera.  I haven’t seen GFX files that have « wow »’d me the same as the Hassey.

[davidmknoble]

On 12/3/2023 at 6:36 PM, Einst_Stein said:

My oldest digital technology is Digilux 4.3, a 1MP camera, which recorded on floppy disk, and was made by Fujifilm. 
“old”  or “obsolete” technology camera depends most likely on the competent or incompetent of the holder. 

@Einst_Stein, I don’t know that I would say a 1mp camera is obsolete (if it stil works and the batteries hold a charge).  I have 3mp images of my oldest son when he was born (1998).  However, I would say it requires very intentional use.  It would be somewhat like shooting 1600 ISO film in the older APS-C size.  You won’t get an easy 11x14 print from that.  But you will likely get 5x7’s that make you happy.

[John McMaster]

16 hours ago, Pieter12 said:

Does anyone print large unless for sales or gallery exhibits? How many large prints can you display? I'm talking over 30x40"

You will get nowhere close (with decent quality) to that size with 1MP.  Yes I print that size for personal use as well as the former two....

john

[cirofrankschiappa]

On 8/17/2023 at 1:19 AM, snommis said:

Came across the S system mainly the 007 for $2000 and I was amazed at how little you can get into a MF system. I do shoot 120 film with a Mamiya 6 and have all 3 lenses. But I was thinking of selling it and using my Zeiss Ikon from the 40s when I want my 6x6 fix. And after selling the Mamiya getting a M10M or even a M11M.  But I thought could it be worth my while to jump into the S system or does what I have already not going to be worth it. I have a M10 and M3 and MP. Plus an SL2S and Q2 that is my wife’s but I’ll use it as well. Will the S give me a different look like it does with film or due to megapixel size am I just throwing money away which could go towards a Monochrom or another SL lens?

Of course, the Leica S system still holds significant value. It features a dedicated sensor and is completely amphibious. The lenses are meticulously crafted, not to detract from Fujifilm and Hasselblad, with adapters available for Contax 645, Hasselblad H, Hasselblad V, Pentax 6x7 series, all without relying on the impractical electronic shutter. Moving onto personal preferences: I still prefer capturing certain subjects using an OVF and detest anything touchscreen-related on a camera.

 

Edited December 5, 2023 by cirofrankschiappa

[Einst_Stein]

3 hours ago, davidmknoble said:

@Einst_Stein, I don’t know that I would say a 1mp camera is obsolete (if it stil works and the batteries hold a charge).  I have 3mp images of my oldest son when he was born (1998).  However, I would say it requires very intentional use.  It would be somewhat like shooting 1600 ISO film in the older APS-C size.  You won’t get an easy 11x14 print from that.  But you will likely get 5x7’s that make you happy.

It uses AA battery.
My wall and my desktop has limited space, I have a few quick changing frames for 16”x20” or 12”x16”. Good enough to display all my pictures. But A 85” and two 46” TV are my major display for now. 

[bags27]

A discussion I follow closely, because I now shoot only film but am tired of worrying about getting it through airports, especially on international travel.

I am very likely holding out for the forthcoming HB 907x 100c as an independent camera and as a back for my Blad 500 c/m. I've shot the X2D and work closely with a friend who has one. So much to admire. But for my aesthetics the S's (earlier, the better) IQ is superior. I just can't get my head around its weight. I even prefer the M11's IQ to the Blad's, but it's a camera that just can't seem to get out of its own way with the problems. So, likely a 907x 100c with IBIS. That's a lot to pay for a camera that in my opinion comes in 3rd in IQ (though 1st in UI). But I'm 76 and not waiting on the fantasy of a reasonably priced mirrorless S or that my right eye remains sharp enough for a rangefinder once the M11 gets itself sorted.

Edited December 5, 2023 by bags27

[cirofrankschiappa]

6 minutes ago, bags27 said:

A discussion I follow closely, because I now shoot only film but am tired of worrying about getting it through airports, especially on international travel.

I am very likely holding out for the forthcoming HB 907x 100c as an independent camera and as a back for my Blad 500 c/m. I've shot the X2D and work closely with a friend who has one. So much to admire. But for my aesthetics the S's (earlier, the better) IQ is superior. I just can't get my head around its weight. I even prefer the M11's IQ to the Blad's, but it's a camera that just can't seem to get out of its own way with the problems. So, likely a 907x 100c with IBIS. That's a lot to pay for a camera that to my eye comes in 3rd in IQ (though 1st in UI). But I'm 76 and not waiting on the fantasy of a reasonably priced mirrorless S. 

HI,

I've been using the Hasselblad 907x for almost a year and it's a system that works great with the 500s. It only has one problem for me: unfortunately the back doesn't rotate when shooting vertically and using the classic cockpit viewfinder is practically impossible. Otherwise it works great.

[cirofrankschiappa]

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My first digital was my Digilux 1998, than Digilux 2 in 2002, the R9+DMR in 2005, but total Leica-blackout in 2012 and switch over to Fuji XPro1 (used with Vario-R 21-35 mm), than back to the roots to Leica Q2 in 2019, following S3 in March 2020 and M 10-R in October. But in 2023 I bought a secound hand M3 looking back to my first analog in 1955.