New leica m-a with cosmetic issues

[Ouroboros]

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On 7/22/2023 at 9:53 AM, 69xchange said:

My brand new MP is like that too

My 2941xxx MP isn’t. 

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[Surge]

On 7/22/2023 at 9:53 AM, 69xchange said:

My brand new MP is like that too

My brand new MP is not like this, the lever is parallel to the body. 
Leica will fix it under warranty. Easy. 
 

Nothing hand made is perfect. You actually have more issues than with mass produced items. But Leica will fix it if you’re not happy. 

[69xchange]

6 hours ago, Surge said:

My brand new MP is not like this, the lever is parallel to the body. 
Leica will fix it under warranty. Easy. 
 

Nothing hand made is perfect. You actually have more issues than with mass produced items. But Leica will fix it if you’re not happy. 

Nah, I am happy as long as it functions properly. Even my shutter speed # are not perfectly aligned with the mark on the hot shoe. Also the frame counter isn't perfectly aligned either. As long as it works and wont cause any issues down the road. 

[LocalHero1953]

Overcoming my deep cynicism about the issue (I really couldn't care less) I looked at my MP and M4. Depending on minute variations in the angle I looked at it, it was bent up, bent down, or absolutely flat.

[LocalHero1953]

On 7/23/2023 at 9:11 PM, Ouroboros said:

My 2941xxx MP isn’t. 

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Your grip looks very badly misaligned. You should start a thread about it.

[Dzongkha]

@LocalHero1953

This is ridiculous, please come down.
In post #57, I think I described it in a comprehensible and not exaggerated way, which is why I addressed it. I don't understand why people have to keep commenting on the subject still so childish.

[Ouroboros]

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3 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

Your grip looks very badly misaligned. You should start a thread about it.

I really couldn't give a toss!    

 

Edited August 2, 2023 by Ouroboros

[LocalHero1953]

3 hours ago, Dzongkha said:

@LocalHero1953

This is ridiculous, please come down.
In post #57, I think I described it in a comprehensible and not exaggerated way, which is why I addressed it. I don't understand why people have to keep commenting on the subject still so childish.

There are different ways of looking at such things. Mine is different from yours.

[Bart D]

1 hour ago, LocalHero1953 said:

There are different ways of looking at such things. Mine is different from yours.

Doesn't mean you have to ridicule his view, now does it. 

[LocalHero1953]

3 hours ago, Bart D said:

Doesn't mean you have to ridicule his view, now does it. 

I didn't respond to his post, nor that of anyone else. My comments were about the degree of sensitivity for cosmetic matters that has been expressed in this thread overall.

But, looking back, I see I have made my views clear often enough that they would have irritated me if the argument had been the other way round, and I apologise for that.

[Stein K S]

On 7/9/2023 at 2:19 AM, ktmrider2 said:

I know which is why I have not bought a new Leica since an M6TTL sometime in the 1990's.  I have a mint 50th anniversary M4 which could only be better in black paint but I don't know if any anniversary models were made with a black paint finish.  Since the only real difference between an MA and M4 is the rewind knob vs crank and frame lines in the viewfinder, I will stay with the M4 which was made at the height of Leica's film cameras.  Only thing better might be a really really nice M2.  And I prefer the tilted crank on the M4 and the rapid film loading but think the M2's viewfinder is the best thing Leica ever did.

So 😉… you personally do prefer older stuff from days of perfect finish & QC, while you firmly recommend the OP just to limit his expectations to newly bought stuff. Both obviously valid standpoints separately… but combined in ONE logic I get confused ☺️
 

I would have returned this body immediately. I find the M-A body to be probably the most beautiful M-body ever made. Almost a symbol of all Leica virtues… produced today 💪. So when buying one new EVERYTHING shall obviously be 100%  and that magic moment when opening the box should not be scrutinized by sloppy finish (and a feeling that the body have been out of the box for more than some minutes?) Maybe sentimental or snobbish… but really, Leica do live well by also providing that feeling.

PS: that said I fully agree that those older M-2-3-4 bodies are just delightful. My somewhat newer late ninities M6 do not give the same feeling of clockwork smoothness 👍

 

regards,
 

[Borna]

On 7/15/2023 at 11:52 PM, CSG123 said:

Imagine if Rolex did this sort of thing.

Actually... When I received my new Submariner during 2015 there was plenty of dust on the dial. I thought this was weird and not according to what I thought Rolex represented so it got exchanged to another one, which had the same issue with dust + a very short power reserve.   

Edited August 15, 2023 by Borna

[Huss]

My bar for an acceptable Leica camera has been set very low.  Basically almost touching the ground.

It just comes down to this - does it scratch film?  Sadly a standard that Leica often fails to achieve.

As for a wonky film advance lever?  When a customer expects perfection because essentially that is what Leica is claiming they are selling, it is his or her right to be upset if that is not met.  Why else are we paying $5500 for an extremely basic camera?

Edited August 15, 2023 by Huss

[CSG123]

39 minutes ago, Borna said:

Actually... When I received my new Submariner during 2015 there was plenty of dust on the dial. I thought this was weird and not according to what I thought Rolex represented so it got exchanged to another one, which had the same issue with dust + a very short power reserve.   

Not saying you're being untruthful (but sounds like you are).  However, I've seen a LOT of Rolex watches over the decades and I've never seen internal dust in a new one.  Not once.  What does "very short power reserve mean"?  What was the stated power reserve for the model you bought and what was yours in comparison?

Edited August 15, 2023 by CSG123

[Warton]

7 hours ago, CSG123 said:

Not saying you're being untruthful (but sounds like you are).  However, I've seen a LOT of Rolex watches over the decades and I've never seen internal dust in a new one.  Not once.  What does "very short power reserve mean"?  What was the stated power reserve for the model you bought and what was yours in comparison?

31xx movement has advertised power reserve of 48 hours, and 32xx has 70 hours . If my memory serves me correctly.

but my experience with dozens of both movements is that they all have at least 10-20% less than advertised 

[a.noctilux]

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[ktmrider2]

Don't know why Leica's quality control seems to have gone down hill.  For the prices Leica charges, the cameras they make today should be up to the standards of the 1950's, 1960's etc.  And perhaps they are as there was no internet in earlier times so we honestly don't know how good their quality control was then.  We do know they made a lot more film cameras which were used by working photographers who probably did not worry too much about a speck of paint.  

Since the technology and the function and form factor you are buying with any Leica film camera is the same as that from the 1950's or 1960's etc, why pay 2023 prices?  There are a couple black paint M4's on the Classic Connection site for $15000 but not for me.  I am old enough to remember when a thru the lens meter was state of the art and my first cameras were purchased during that time.  The M3 was cutting edge technology when it was introduced.

If you want a new film Leica, buy it.  It is your money just as I choose not to with my money. 

By the way, I purchased my first Rolex Submariner in 1980 in Singapore while on an aircraft carrier deployed in the western Pacific.  I paid $310 and thought I had made a great deal.  The XO of my squadron and a blue/black Submariner he had purchased from the PX system in Vietnam 10 years earlier and he told me he paid $165!