PeterBoyadjian Posted June 23, 2023 Share #1 Posted June 23, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello! Anyone have a Q3 and SL2S with a 35/50 APO Lenses laying around 😁 If you do, is there anyway you can post some cropped images on the Q3 vs. the SL2S with APO Primes. Also some at 3200 and 6400 ISO. Many Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jplomley Posted June 23, 2023 Share #2 Posted June 23, 2023 Watching this thread carefully.... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beewee Posted June 24, 2023 Share #3 Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) I have the SL2-S and 28 APO SL, as well as the Q3. But I really struggle to see the point of comparing the two. If I want something light and compact, I’ll grab the Q3. If I want absolute image quality and the APO SL look, I’ll grab the SL2-S + 28 APO SL. Edited June 24, 2023 by beewee 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jplomley Posted June 24, 2023 Share #4 Posted June 24, 2023 10 hours ago, beewee said: I have the SL2-S and 28 APO SL, as well as the Q3. But I really struggle to see the point of comparing the two. If I want something light and compact, I’ll grab the Q3. If I want absolute image quality and the APO SL look, I’ll grab the SL2-S + 28 APO SL. Would it even really be a fair comparison? Can anything out there really compete with the APO Summicrons? If I had a Q3 I would not do this comparison as I might be forever regretful that I bought a Q3 and not used the money for another APO SUmmicron. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickness Posted June 24, 2023 Share #5 Posted June 24, 2023 I’ve got to say, no matter how much resolution they throw at the Q, the image quality is not going to compete with the SL APO lenses. I’ve got a Q2M and it’s a wonderful camera, but the native SL glass deliver us an extra something that I really haven’t seen on with other lenses (although the 75 Nocti is pretty crazy). The Q series is an incredible platform, and does a couple of things even better than the SL (portability, it’s idiot-proof) - the lens is great, but not SL APO great. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediaFotografie Posted June 24, 2023 Share #6 Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) I did this comparison Q3 versus SL2-S/APO-SL-35), nearly the same settings (both f2), same time, same light, somewhere in the center, not corner, zoomed-in a little bit... looks not so good for the Q3 Q3 is a really versatile and useful device - SL2(S) with APO-Summicrons rules (but more than twice the weight)... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited June 24, 2023 by MediaFotografie 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/378695-anyone-with-a-q3-and-sl2s-in-hand-with-some-apo-lenses/?do=findComment&comment=4800603'>More sharing options...
jplomley Posted June 24, 2023 Share #7 Posted June 24, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 11 minutes ago, trickness said: I’ve got to say, no matter how much resolution they throw at the Q, the image quality is not going to compete with the SL APO lenses. I’ve got a Q2M and it’s a wonderful camera, but the native SL glass deliver us an extra something that I really haven’t seen on with other lenses (although the 75 Nocti is pretty crazy). The Q series is an incredible platform, and does a couple of things even better than the SL (portability, it’s idiot-proof) - the lens is great, but not SL APO great. I would buy a 28 APO Summicron before I bought any Q, especially since the SL3 will undoubtedly have a nice resolution bump. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickness Posted June 24, 2023 Share #8 Posted June 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, jplomley said: I would buy a 28 APO Summicron before I bought any Q, especially since the SL3 will undoubtedly have a nice resolution bump. The thing is, it’s an apples to oranges comparison. The Q is really easy to carry on your hip and just kind of forget it’s there - that’s never gonna happen with any SL body/native lens combo. I actually find them to be quite complementary systems, not the least of which is due to the fact that they share a battery. But there isn’t really anything about the Q3 that could currently convince me to buy one new versus a $3500 mint condition Q2. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virob Posted June 24, 2023 Share #9 Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) A little off topic, but has anyone compared an SL2s + 50APO vs SL2 + 35APO cropped to 50mm Edited June 24, 2023 by Virob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterBoyadjian Posted June 24, 2023 Author Share #10 Posted June 24, 2023 Thank you of that comparison MediaFotografie, While money is not the issue here more about being logical, I might just pick up a 2nd SL2S body and a Q for a everyday carry. Used prices are looking great right now. I'm never going to use the Q3 for Video, Cropping past 35mm is a no for me as well. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediaFotografie Posted June 24, 2023 Share #11 Posted June 24, 2023 just some facts: SL2-S/APO-SL-35: 1.656g (Reporter) Q3: 765g (both including battery) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jplomley Posted June 24, 2023 Share #12 Posted June 24, 2023 SL2 with an APO Summicron is not heavy at all. I really don’t understand what all the fuss is about. I find it weightless on the shoulder as well with a Harry Benz strap. Weight is not a legitimate argument for me, image quality however is. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted June 24, 2023 Share #13 Posted June 24, 2023 5 hours ago, jplomley said: SL2 with an APO Summicron is not heavy at all. I really don’t understand what all the fuss is about. I find it weightless on the shoulder as well with a Harry Benz strap. Weight is not a legitimate argument for me, image quality however is. +1. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikko Kankainen Posted June 25, 2023 Share #14 Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) Images looks different if they are taken with 28mm or 50mm even when cropped to ”match”. Different perspective makes image look different. Human face looks different if it’s taken with 28,35 or 50 mm. You can even see this with example image posted by MediaFotografie So idea to replace 35mm or 50mm lens with 28mm lens (q3) because one can crop because of 60mpix is not completely true, it’s marketing. But then again you can do a lot with 28mm also take great portraits, but it is always 28mm look. Edited June 25, 2023 by Mikko Kankainen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beewee Posted June 25, 2023 Share #15 Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) Having had a chance do a bit more real world shooting on the Q3 today, my impression is that the Q3 28 Lux has a very different rendering compared to the 28 APO SL. The APO SL has a very unique look when shot wide open and it’s one I haven’t seen on any other lens except within the APO SL family. The Q3 28 Lux on the otherhand has a rendering that reminds me of other M lenses. It’s not so perfectly corrected like the APO SL but it’s got more of a typical modern (post-Mandler) Leica ASPH M lens rendering/bokeh. It’s actually quite impressive that Karbe et al. managed to create a rendering on the Q3 that mimics an M lens when the optical design (at least the rear groups) is so very different than any other M lens that’s ever been produced. As far as sharpness goes, I think SL APOs are probably the most boring lenses to test. They’re basically perfect when focused properly, and sharp at the pixel level, even when shot with high res multishot mode at ~100 MP on the SL2-S. It’s just on a different level so it’s kind of pointless to compare to anything else that’s not an APO SL. One other note is that, I normally prefer a 24mm field of view and found the 28 APO SL a bit on the tight side for me but with the Q3, since the 28 Lux is actually a bit wider (more like a 26mm?), I never got the feeling like it was too tight for me. I was a bit hesitant with the whole Q system because of the 28mm lens until I started hearing about how the Q 28mm is actually not a true 28mm FoV. All in all, I’m happy it is that way. Edited June 25, 2023 by beewee 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beewee Posted June 25, 2023 Share #16 Posted June 25, 2023 Shot at f/8 but still has plenty of bokeh. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/378695-anyone-with-a-q3-and-sl2s-in-hand-with-some-apo-lenses/?do=findComment&comment=4800983'>More sharing options...
robb Posted June 26, 2023 Share #17 Posted June 26, 2023 I’m not likely ever grabbing the q3 over an apo on the sl2 in normal use. I do think it’s apples and oranges. but I am grabbing the q3 when I want something compact like the M size but with SL2 matching batteries ois stabilizer, and peaking viewfinder, leaf shutter sync speeds with flash, and AF and weatherproofing. Most things the m doesn’t ever give me combining with an sl2 out and about. And I like the M. I’ll take the less than apo sharpness tradeoff for the more discrete size benefit only every once in a while. Robb 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 26, 2023 Share #18 Posted June 26, 2023 18 hours ago, Mikko Kankainen said: Different perspective makes image look different. No. Perspective is determined by subject distance, not by focal length. We have to correct this misconception once a month. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikko Kankainen Posted June 26, 2023 Share #19 Posted June 26, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, jaapv said: No. Perspective is determined by subject distance, not by focal length. We have to correct this misconception once a month. Yes you are correct! I messed up the terms. When you crop with you're feet so you move closer because you are using "too wide" lens then it results a chance in perspective. However when you crop your depth of field is affected and also it's more demanding for lens to preserve details. Also with longer lenses your background is closer because (again forgot the english term). However I do not see cropping modes as a real alternative, let say 28mm->50mm as in a picture that I just took (28mm cropped about to match 50mm). Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited June 26, 2023 by Mikko Kankainen Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/378695-anyone-with-a-q3-and-sl2s-in-hand-with-some-apo-lenses/?do=findComment&comment=4801693'>More sharing options...
PeterBoyadjian Posted June 29, 2023 Author Share #20 Posted June 29, 2023 Well 2 days of testing and I must say I think the Q3 is one amazing camera...... I have a couple events coming up, Q3 in one hand and the SL2S with a SL75 in another. I need to test it out in the real world. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/378695-anyone-with-a-q3-and-sl2s-in-hand-with-some-apo-lenses/?do=findComment&comment=4804073'>More sharing options...
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