Mr.Prime Posted June 28, 2023 Share #61 Posted June 28, 2023 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) I can understand that photography is such an important part of their life that there's no issue for many photographers in carrying heavy gear. Sometimes, this is also the right choice for me. But many times it is not and I've seen over the years that the lighter camera wins providing that it's nice to use and produces good results. So the SL2 might be well balanced, but after a day on my feet the aches and pains of a heavy camera are simply unwelcome. I'm hoping Leica will eventually have a business case for a lighter camera that can take (via adaptors) an M lens. Edited June 28, 2023 by Mr.Prime 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wellfleet Posted June 28, 2023 Share #62 Posted June 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Stuart Richardson said: The bloom came a bit off the rose for me when I realized that my 500 dollar 24mm Sigma lens Is that the f2 Sigma? I've also been considering it when I don't want to lug around the 16-35 monster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted June 28, 2023 Share #63 Posted June 28, 2023 1 hour ago, wellfleet said: Is that the f2 Sigma? I've also been considering it when I don't want to lug around the 16-35 monster. Mine is the 3.5, but they seem to be similar… 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted June 29, 2023 Share #64 Posted June 29, 2023 17 hours ago, pgh said: with M lens mounted on it, hardly bigger or heavier than an M. really? It's pretty much twice the weight M11 weight: 530g SL2: 920g + 70g for the L-M adapter = 990g 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgh Posted June 29, 2023 Share #65 Posted June 29, 2023 7 hours ago, Simone_DF said: really? It's pretty much twice the weight M11 weight: 530g SL2: 920g + 70g for the L-M adapter = 990g I use M10's - which are slightly heavier I guess, at 660 g. I mean, ok, yes, it's a little heavier, but it's not perceptively heavier in a shoulder bag on a long walk, or even strapped around my shoulder for a long period of time. It's a little bulkier because of the viewfinder and the grip - which makes it slightly less travel friendly. But if one is going to have a single camera in a bag - or at least if I'm going to - I find there is no practical difference when it comes to transport. I just like the M viewfinder and experience more. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sohail Posted June 29, 2023 Author Share #66 Posted June 29, 2023 8 hours ago, Simone_DF said: really? It's pretty much twice the weight M11 weight: 530g SL2: 920g + 70g for the L-M adapter = 990g Heavy! 460g is my one rep max on a bench press 😄 Joking aside, my go-to camera these days is the SL2 plus the 1kg+ 50 Lux SL. I'm no spring chicken but you get used to it. It's the least of my concerns. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickness Posted June 29, 2023 Share #67 Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, Sohail said: Heavy! 460g is my one rep max on a bench press 😄 Joking aside, my go-to camera these days is the SL2 plus the 1kg+ 50 Lux SL. I'm no spring chicken but you get used to it. It's the least of my concerns. Just watched a video of Koudelka on YouTube with three medium format digital bodies over his shoulder photographing the Jerusalem wall (including that custom panorama Leica S). He was like 78 years old doing this. The complaints about the weight of the SL weight I will never understand. I shoot mine for 8 hours at a time and I don't even think about it. I'd be thinking about the M11 freezing every time I used it a lot more than 400 grams. Edited June 29, 2023 by trickness 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sohail Posted June 29, 2023 Author Share #68 Posted June 29, 2023 17 minutes ago, trickness said: Just watched a video of Koudelka on YouTube with three medium format digital bodies over his shoulder photographing the Jerusalem wall (including that custom panorama Leica S). He was like 78 years old doing this. The complaints about the weight of the SL weight I will never understand. I shoot mine for 8 hours at a time and I don't even think about it. I'd be thinking about the M11 freezing every time I used it a lot more than 400 grams. Here's William Albert Allaard in 1965 "old school" Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 5 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/378551-the-sl2-is-all-the-camera-you-need/?do=findComment&comment=4804142'>More sharing options...
Boojay Posted June 29, 2023 Share #69 Posted June 29, 2023 20 minutes ago, Sohail said: Here's William Albert Allaard in 1965 "old school" Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Obviously fit as a flea - must be all that nicotine😃. 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sohail Posted June 29, 2023 Author Share #70 Posted June 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, Boojay said: Obviously fit as a flea - must be all that nicotine😃. Still shooting at 86 years old. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted June 29, 2023 Share #71 Posted June 29, 2023 Remember mobile phones from a few years ago? would anybody buy or carry one of these things today? That’s how it sounds when people say “at my time I used to carry 40kg of gear walking backwards uphill. On one leg.” Technology change. Expectations change. The market also change with it. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/378551-the-sl2-is-all-the-camera-you-need/?do=findComment&comment=4804175'>More sharing options...
trickness Posted June 29, 2023 Share #72 Posted June 29, 2023 2 hours ago, Simone_DF said: Remember mobile phones from a few years ago? would anybody buy or carry one of these things today? That’s how it sounds when people say “at my time I used to carry 40kg of gear walking backwards uphill. On one leg.” Technology change. Expectations change. The market also change with it. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! For my money, this thing looks way cooler than any modern smartphone. Gordon Gekko for the win! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robb Posted June 30, 2023 Share #73 Posted June 30, 2023 9 hours ago, trickness said: Just watched a video of Koudelka on YouTube with three medium format digital bodies over his shoulder photographing the Jerusalem wall (including that custom panorama Leica S). He was like 78 years old doing this. The complaints about the weight of the SL weight I will never understand. I shoot mine for 8 hours at a time and I don't even think about it. I'd be thinking about the M11 freezing every time I used it a lot more than 400 grams. Koudelka - Fuji GX 617 for the win. What a great camera with the removable lenses. I’ve been shooting my hassy x2d in xpan mode 1:2.7 aspect ratio. I just see that way. It works with this crop around 50mp. Beats me having to shoot a tech cam with a digital back and stitch. I think the x2d and Leica is a great combo. I saw a video on the q2 monochrom last night. Also an amazing camera…. Robb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted June 30, 2023 Share #74 Posted June 30, 2023 Personally I'll carry what I need to, to get the shot. But I'd consider my self quite mad to carry more than I needed to. If Leica want to make the SL3 lighter, I won't say no. Currently my X2D and three lenses is lighter than my SL2 and three Summicron APO's. Guess which one I'm likely to prefer? The SL2 might be all the camera I need but it's not all I want. Most of the time I don't need more than an M9 but I'm not going back.... I shot 4x5 and RB67's as well. No thanks. Gordon 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted June 30, 2023 Share #75 Posted June 30, 2023 I’m on holidays and walk everyday about 15/20 km photographing stuff. The difference between a SL plus apo and a M or Q in weight is really noticeable, especially after some hours walking. So based on this, I decided to change my setup: the SL will be with zooms (wide plus tele, not standard) where the primes will be for the M. No need to have double FL’s especially MF is quick enough for me. That said, still doubting about the Q vs the 907x for waistlevel usage. The SL is all one need, but so is a M or Q for many people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted June 30, 2023 Share #76 Posted June 30, 2023 For me, it is all about making reasonable choices on this front. I often work within walking distance of my car, or in my studio, so in that context nearly all cameras are weightless. I also shoot 4x5 and 8x10, and without a car, mule or assistant, doing 8x10 is not really something that is practical to carry around all day. If I plan to go on a hike, I would probably just carry the SL2 and 50mm, and maybe the Sigma 24mm 3.5 and 90mm or 135mm M lens on M to L adapter. If I am looking for a camera to carry day to day with me all the time, it is the Ricoh GRIIIx, which is the most professional truly compact camera I am aware of. At the end of the day I am an art photographer not an event photographer, so it is better for me to just pare down the kit. I think the Leica and Ricoh pair very well this way. In the analog world, for hikes I almost always use the Mamiya 7II or a Konica Hexar. Both are very light for what they can provide. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planetwide Posted June 30, 2023 Share #77 Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) 21 hours ago, pgh said: I use M10's - which are slightly heavier I guess, at 660 g. I mean, ok, yes, it's a little heavier, but it's not perceptively heavier in a shoulder bag on a long walk, or even strapped around my shoulder for a long period of time. It's a little bulkier because of the viewfinder and the grip - which makes it slightly less travel friendly. But if one is going to have a single camera in a bag - or at least if I'm going to - I find there is no practical difference when it comes to transport. I just like the M viewfinder and experience more. Personally, when I used M's, I was not a fan of the haptics, and consequently, I used a grip and an EVF... I felt that this combination matched the SL's (At the time) ease of use. Of course, one can remove the additional items. M11 - Black 530g/ Chrome 640g with battery Grip - 87g EVF - 93g Thumbsplus - 27g Total = 737g Black/ 847g Chrome SL2 = 920 g with battery + Adapter 70g = 990g Still a significant difference, but perhaps, not as much as we think. Edited June 30, 2023 by Planetwide 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted June 30, 2023 Share #78 Posted June 30, 2023 5 hours ago, Planetwide said: M11 - Black 530g/ Chrome 640g with battery Grip - 87g EVF - 93g Thumbsplus - 27g Another reason for Leica to release a EVF M and save 93g 😄 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 30, 2023 Share #79 Posted June 30, 2023 4 hours ago, Simone_DF said: Another reason for Leica to release a EVF M and save 93g 😄 Actually the savings would be the weight difference between the built-in EVF and the RF/VF (if heavier), assuming all else equal. If Leica added IBIS and weather sealing, etc to it, it would begin to approach an SL. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OR120 Posted June 30, 2023 Share #80 Posted June 30, 2023 On 6/29/2023 at 3:03 PM, Simone_DF said: Remember mobile phones from a few years ago? would anybody buy or carry one of these things today? That’s how it sounds when people say “at my time I used to carry 40kg of gear walking backwards uphill. On one leg.” Technology change. Expectations change. The market also change with it. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Had one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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