algrove Posted April 21, 2023 Share #41 Posted April 21, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) Great since less weight lets me use my heavier glass-like Noctilux's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DBounce Posted April 24, 2023 Share #42 Posted April 24, 2023 Got my Monochrom last week. Awesome camera. Usable 100K ISO! Clean at 50K… I’m blown away. This camera has superpowers. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stout_trapdoor9 Posted April 26, 2023 Share #43 Posted April 26, 2023 I've got an M10M and I'm getting an M11M based on battery life alone. I have yet to recharge an M11 battery for use of less than one week. After two hours of use for my M10M... Also I'm not super keen on how hot the M10M gets, even with the live view shut off. The rangefinder focus on the M11 is also a notable improvement, much easier. The M11 is also less fussy about memory cards - my M10M frequently locks up when I use Sony Tough cards, my M11 loves them. Having said all of that, I like the M10M heavier weight and if it were not for battery life (I frequently shoot in cold weather) I would still be happy with it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted April 27, 2023 Share #44 Posted April 27, 2023 10 hours ago, stout_trapdoor9 said: I've got an M10M and I'm getting an M11M based on battery life alone. I have yet to recharge an M11 battery for use of less than one week. After two hours of use for my M10M... Also I'm not super keen on how hot the M10M gets, even with the live view shut off. The rangefinder focus on the M11 is also a notable improvement, much easier. The M11 is also less fussy about memory cards - my M10M frequently locks up when I use Sony Tough cards, my M11 loves them. Having said all of that, I like the M10M heavier weight and if it were not for battery life (I frequently shoot in cold weather) I would still be happy with it. I haven’t experienced any of the problems you associate with the M10 Monochrom: heat; focusing issues; or lockups. Even the battery life suits my shooting style. Different strokes… Jeff 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted April 27, 2023 Share #45 Posted April 27, 2023 (edited) On 4/26/2023 at 12:10 PM, stout_trapdoor9 said: I've got an M10M and I'm getting an M11M based on battery life alone. I have yet to recharge an M11 battery for use of less than one week. After two hours of use for my M10M... Also I'm not super keen on how hot the M10M gets, even with the live view shut off. The rangefinder focus on the M11 is also a notable improvement, much easier. The M11 is also less fussy about memory cards - my M10M frequently locks up when I use Sony Tough cards, my M11 loves them. Having said all of that, I like the M10M heavier weight and if it were not for battery life (I frequently shoot in cold weather) I would still be happy with it. I don’t think the focus mechanism changed between the M10 variants and M11. Maybe just a rangefinder calibration issue? Edited April 27, 2023 by dkmoore 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stout_trapdoor9 Posted April 28, 2023 Share #46 Posted April 28, 2023 18 hours ago, dkmoore said: I don’t think the focus mechanism changed between the M10 variants and M11. Maybe just a rangefinder calibration issue? I am not sure - when I compare the two, the M11 rangefinder window just seems clearer and sharper when you are matching the two overlapping images. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erudolph Posted April 28, 2023 Share #47 Posted April 28, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 3 hours ago, stout_trapdoor9 said: I am not sure - when I compare the two, the M11 rangefinder window just seems clearer and sharper when you are matching the two overlapping images. I got the same feeling with the M11 OVF 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamBK Posted April 29, 2023 Share #48 Posted April 29, 2023 On 4/13/2023 at 7:42 PM, erudolph said: I’ve seen it on the M10M when an extremely low light, high ISO file is pushed. On 4/14/2023 at 2:22 AM, hmzimelka said: It could very well be the lens profile used either in camera or in post to correct vignetting. Most likely the in-camera vignette correction. I've seen this with Fuji GFX cameras too. Best to shoot without lens coding to either confirm or rule it out. Issue goes away when you deactivate lens profile when shooting at High ISO. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted May 1, 2023 Share #49 Posted May 1, 2023 The issues returns on export as JPEG. To export to cameras roll successfully without artifacts you need to select export as PNG. Adobe needs to fix this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenH Posted May 1, 2023 Share #50 Posted May 1, 2023 On 4/14/2023 at 9:06 AM, hmzimelka said: The M11 has the same bifurcation but with my experience across four M11 cameras I've only had one case where it was obvious. The bifurcation on my M10M was quite obvious, Leica said it was in spec and refused to replace it, so my dealer took it back and sold me a M11. Still regret not having the M10M. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I was for the briefest moment considering buying one of these things. The possibility of suffering with a seam down the middle of the exposures and being told that the camera was "in spec" quickly dispelled any notion of that. Thank you . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted May 2, 2023 Share #51 Posted May 2, 2023 18 hours ago, StephenH said: I was for the briefest moment considering buying one of these things. The possibility of suffering with a seam down the middle of the exposures and being told that the camera was "in spec" quickly dispelled any notion of that. Thank you . Not every copy of the M10M had the issue — I had one in three copies have it. Best to have an agreement in place with your Leica dealer that they will exchange if the bifurcation is visible no matter if it takes adjustments in LR/C1 to show it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmzimelka Posted May 2, 2023 Share #52 Posted May 2, 2023 1 hour ago, hdmesa said: Not every copy of the M10M had the issue — I had one in three copies have it. Best to have an agreement in place with your Leica dealer that they will exchange if the bifurcation is visible no matter if it takes adjustments in LR/C1 to show it. Exactly! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Dahl Posted May 2, 2023 Share #53 Posted May 2, 2023 On 4/14/2023 at 3:06 PM, hmzimelka said: The M11 has the same bifurcation but with my experience across four M11 cameras I've only had one case where it was obvious. The bifurcation on my M10M was quite obvious, Leica said it was in spec and refused to replace it, so my dealer took it back and sold me a M11. Still regret not having the M10M. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! What is bifurcation and how do you test for it? I can understand there are many cameras that have it. So is it also available on Canon and Nikon and Sony? sorry i'm asking stupidly. But I've never heard of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmzimelka Posted May 2, 2023 Share #54 Posted May 2, 2023 36 minutes ago, Kim Dahl said: What is bifurcation and how do you test for it? I can understand there are many cameras that have it. So is it also available on Canon and Nikon and Sony? sorry i'm asking stupidly. But I've never heard of it. It's not a stupid question at all, and the more people are aware of it the more Leica can prioritise it in its QC process. Basically, from what I was told, the sensor is read out in two halves. The tonal values for each of the two halves need to be calibrated to match each other perfectly and sometimes they don't match sufficiently to remain invisible. My original M10M had it, and oddly only visible at the top half of the frame and then only on scenes like clear blue skies. It required some contrast enhancement in post, and the clarity and dehaze slider in Lightroom could really accentuate it. My current M11 is absolutely free of it, no matter the heavy handed adjustments I throw at the file, but one of the previous M11's showed it quite severely with very little adjustments. I would absolutely not let it stop me buying a Monochrom. But one needs to make it clear to the dealer that it's a quality criteria you're not going to accept if visible, because Leica certainly don't care. They didn't care about my M10M Wetzlar and said it was in spec, and the communication from Germany was quite condescending. My test for the bifurcation is to take a shot of a clear blue sky, and then increase contrast, clarity and dehaze slider in Lightroom for instance. In most cases, with such extreme settings, the little line one could see is usually not going to present itself in reasonably edited images. If the line is as visible as the one I posted earlier, with strong contrast adjust and a little clarity slider, then thats not ok, at least for me... 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaniel Posted May 4, 2023 Share #55 Posted May 4, 2023 (edited) On 4/24/2023 at 1:14 PM, DBounce said: Got my Monochrom last week. Awesome camera. Usable 100K ISO! Clean at 50K… I’m blown away. This camera has superpowers. Got mine last week and also agree. It's my first Monochrom so I'm sure this isn't novel to more experienced users but it's photography on cheat mode. It reminds me of my frustrations when I was learning photography and the exposure triangle, since the rules have to bend to the available light. Shooting a child playing indoors? If you want to freeze motion, you'll have to decide whether you want to sacrifice depth of field or noise in the image. The Monochrom lets you expose exactly how you want without worrying about having enough light in the scene. If you want to shoot at 1/500 indoors at f/8, the image will still look great on the Monochrom. Edited May 4, 2023 by Yaniel 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted May 4, 2023 Share #56 Posted May 4, 2023 Similar possibilities with the M10 Monochrom. Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
intermediatic Posted May 8, 2023 Share #57 Posted May 8, 2023 Waiting. Am first on my list at the local camera store which has excellent relations with Leica, but is being treated as a stepchild by them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyLeicaWorld Posted May 9, 2023 Share #58 Posted May 9, 2023 On 4/28/2023 at 2:48 PM, stout_trapdoor9 said: I am not sure - when I compare the two, the M11 rangefinder window just seems clearer and sharper when you are matching the two overlapping images. Maybe you’ve just cleaned the windows.. have the same feeling when I cleaned them.. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranciscoChung Posted June 17, 2023 Share #59 Posted June 17, 2023 (edited) love my M11M !! Edited June 17, 2023 by FranciscoChung 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted June 18, 2023 Share #60 Posted June 18, 2023 Enjoy. Its a wonderful camera. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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