Le Chef Posted May 6, 2023 Share #161 Posted May 6, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 7 minutes ago, Simone_DF said: Which are all discontinued cameras with no future update path. So? You didn’t say currently in production. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Simone_DF Posted May 6, 2023 Share #162 Posted May 6, 2023 28 minutes ago, Le Chef said: So? You didn’t say currently in production. Can you point out a compact autofocus Leica camera with a 50mm lens currently in production? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chef Posted May 6, 2023 Share #163 Posted May 6, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Simone_DF said: Can you point out a compact autofocus Leica camera with a 50mm lens currently in production? Why would I need to? The CL will continue to function for years to come and the TL35 lens is outstanding. It’s no different from continuing to use a 5 year old M camera. They are both fully functional and people hang onto them and buy them on the pre-owned market. Edited May 6, 2023 by Le Chef Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Jefferson Posted May 6, 2023 Share #164 Posted May 6, 2023 Speaking about precious fixed lens camera, the Leica X 113 should've been a hit, half a stop faster than Fuji x100 series. But it seems Leica is convinced about the Q instead 😳 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lelmer Posted May 6, 2023 Share #165 Posted May 6, 2023 1 hour ago, wlaidlaw said: I already have a 40mm Summicron in M mount. Wilson Wilson, I meant a Q with a summicron 40, in case a summilux would be too bulky (I don't need a 40mm in M mount, as the framelines are not adapted). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chef Posted May 6, 2023 Share #166 Posted May 6, 2023 9 minutes ago, Lelmer said: Wilson, I meant a Q with a summicron 40, in case a summilux would be too bulky (I don't need a 40mm in M mount, as the framelines are not adapted). You would have to redesign both lenses to remove the lens mount and build in the shutter mechanism. Not straightforward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lelmer Posted May 6, 2023 Share #167 Posted May 6, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 minutes ago, Le Chef said: You would have to redesign both lenses to remove the lens mount and build in the shutter mechanism. Not straightforward. Sure, but feasible... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chef Posted May 6, 2023 Share #168 Posted May 6, 2023 8 minutes ago, Lelmer said: Sure, but feasible... Too expensive to be worth it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lelmer Posted May 6, 2023 Share #169 Posted May 6, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Le Chef said: Too expensive to be worth it. Probably the reason why they keep sticking to the 28mm...unfortunately (at least for me) Edited May 6, 2023 by Lelmer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickness Posted May 6, 2023 Share #170 Posted May 6, 2023 They're not going to make a 35 or a 50 Q. The frame line/crop option bump already allows you to "shoot at those lengths" and the increase in resolution only improves that ability. A 35 or 50 Q would cannibalize from M sales, and having multiple Q versions with different focal lengths makes zero sense. Won't happen, they'd be competing with themselves and they can't afford it. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted May 6, 2023 Share #171 Posted May 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Le Chef said: Why would I need to? The CL will continue to function for years to come and the TL35 lens is outstanding. It’s no different from continuing to use a 5 year old M camera. They are both fully functional and people hang onto them and buy them on the pre-owned market. Because it's ok for people that have one already, but absolutely a no-go for anybody looking to buying into the camera today, because the camera has no future. What is going to happen when the battery dies or starts to malfunction? There would be no replacement and the lenses will be useful only as a doorstopper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chef Posted May 6, 2023 Share #172 Posted May 6, 2023 Just now, Simone_DF said: Because it's ok for people that have one already, but absolutely a no-go for anybody looking to buying into the camera today, because the camera has no future. What is going to happen when the battery dies or starts to malfunction? There would be no replacement and the lenses will be useful only as a doorstopper. That’s a lot of assumptions. Battery supplies for the CL are good - multiple vendors, as they are used in other cameras. Now if you’re talking exclusive batteries for the M11 then you’re right to be concerned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted May 6, 2023 Share #173 Posted May 6, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, trickness said: They're not going to make a 35 or a 50 Q. The frame line/crop option bump already allows you to "shoot at those lengths" and the increase in resolution only improves that ability. A 35 or 50 Q would cannibalize from M sales, and having multiple Q versions with different focal lengths makes zero sense. Won't happen, they'd be competing with themselves and they can't afford it. Not really. For people that shot mostly 50mm doesn't make sense to buy a full frame 28mm Q then crop all the time. As for the cannibalization, M and Q are two completely different cameras. The M is a manual focus rangefinder with an OVF, the Q is autofocus, no rangefinder, EVF. It's like saying that a racing bicycle is the same as an electric bicycle and they cannibalize each other. Edited May 6, 2023 by Simone_DF 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted May 6, 2023 Share #174 Posted May 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Le Chef said: Why would I need to? The CL will continue to function for years to come and the TL35 lens is outstanding. It’s no different from continuing to use a 5 year old M camera. They are both fully functional and people hang onto them and buy them on the pre-owned market. I am less convinced about the CL's long term reliability. Mine has already been replaced twice. Once for a mechanical fault (the retaining screw for the lens release button came undone and dropped inside the camera, jamming the lens in place) and once for an electronic fault - nothing happened on switch on. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chef Posted May 6, 2023 Share #175 Posted May 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, wlaidlaw said: I am less convinced about the CL's long term reliability. Mine has already been replaced twice. Once for a mechanical fault (the retaining screw for the lens release button came undone and dropped inside the camera, jamming the lens in place) and once for an electronic fault - nothing happened on switch on. Wilson Sample of 1. And no other camera has mechanical or electrical failures? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chef Posted May 6, 2023 Share #176 Posted May 6, 2023 A Q 35 or Q 50 would likely cannibalize the SL2 or 3. And since Leica are already having to sell the SL2/S at significant discount that would not be a smart move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted May 6, 2023 Share #177 Posted May 6, 2023 5 minutes ago, Le Chef said: A Q 35 or Q 50 would likely cannibalize the SL2 or 3. And since Leica are already having to sell the SL2/S at significant discount that would not be a smart move. SL2s discounted because they are not what the market wants! Small cameras and lenses for me. Sold the SL2-S as it was too heavy and I was never going to be prepared to carry two of them in the same tradition of carrying to Ms. If Leica don't provide, I will move to Fujifilm for all my AF needs. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chef Posted May 6, 2023 Share #178 Posted May 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, FrozenInTime said: SL2s discounted because they are not what the market wants! Exactly! And that’s why a Q35 or Q50 would cannibalize sales. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted May 6, 2023 Share #179 Posted May 6, 2023 (edited) Looking forward to the release, hopefully it will put an end to the wild speculation taking place here Edited May 6, 2023 by Stuart Richardson better judgement prevailed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtodrick Posted May 6, 2023 Share #180 Posted May 6, 2023 3 hours ago, Le Chef said: So? You didn’t say currently in production. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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