Anbaric Posted February 17, 2023 Share #41 Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) It looks like they could sell more than they are able to make at the moment, though I imagine production is not on the same scale as it once was. Back in the 80s, they were managing to produce as many as 14,000 M6s a year, going by the serial numbers. Edited February 17, 2023 by Anbaric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ktmrider2 Posted February 17, 2023 Share #42 Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) And with the problems with the new cameras reported here, I don't know why someone would purchase one other than it is "new". And I understand the attraction of a new camera. Of course, I have been accused of being a dinosaur (especially concerning anything digital). My favorite Leica is the M2 primarily due to its single frame lines in the viewfinder. If Leica offered that option on its new models, my name would be on the list even with the quality control issues but I really don't like the paired frame lines which is standard today. Edited February 17, 2023 by ktmrider2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmans Posted February 20, 2023 Share #43 Posted February 20, 2023 On 2/18/2023 at 7:37 AM, ktmrider2 said: And with the problems with the new cameras reported here, I don't know why someone would purchase one other than it is "new". And I understand the attraction of a new camera. Of course, I have been accused of being a dinosaur (especially concerning anything digital). My favorite Leica is the M2 primarily due to its single frame lines in the viewfinder. If Leica offered that option on its new models, my name would be on the list even with the quality control issues but I really don't like the paired frame lines which is standard today. This is where the 'forum' lets a potential buyer down. Sure....a few problems. But ....'all M6's?" I doubt it and the M6 of tomorrow? I doubt it.... So people are scared away from buying a product by a few. And let us not forget that even if a camera has a problem to 'you", chances are that the photographer is a complete amateur and buys Leica because it is a Leica and wouldn't know a problem if it hit them in the head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted February 20, 2023 Share #44 Posted February 20, 2023 44 minutes ago, lmans said: chances are that the photographer is a complete amateur and buys Leica because it is a Leica and wouldn't know a problem if it hit them in the head. Sell undemanding people a duff camera but it doesn't matter if they don't realise there may be problems with the product? Not exactly the brand values that I would have thought Leica would like to have. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madNbad Posted February 20, 2023 Share #45 Posted February 20, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 9:57 AM, Anbaric said: It looks like they could sell more than they are able to make at the moment, though I imagine production is not on the same scale as it once was. Back in the 80s, they were managing to produce as many as 14,000 M6s a year, going by the serial numbers. The difference is, back in the 1980s Leica was only making the M6. Now there are all of the digital offerings, with the Q2, SL2 and M11 being their focus. The new M6 was a marketing tool, unfortunately a for the users that bought first run cameras there are problems that would have been properly corrected in an earlier time. Right now, Leica doesn’t have the parts to repair the cameras that have been sold. The other problem is not enough technicians to repair those cameras when the parts are available. Leica’s biggest problem is customer service. If the customer receives a faulty product, don’t push them in to the same queue with all the other repairs. Make the customer know their business is appreciated and keep them informed. When laying out Leica money, the product is expected to be ready to use and not kept waiting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted February 20, 2023 Share #46 Posted February 20, 2023 3 hours ago, madNbad said: Leica’s biggest problem is customer service Agreed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted February 20, 2023 Share #47 Posted February 20, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 5 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said: Agreed Imagine how different 'my' story would be if Leica just did the right thing. You buy a new camera that is defective out of the box. Leica exchanges it immediately for another. End of story. Everyone feels good about Leica. Instead. You buy a new camera that is defective out of the box. Leica does not exchange it but holds onto it for 6 weeks. Then returns it not fixed. Then has it for another 6 weeks now (and counting) with the excuse that parts to repair it are unavailable. All Leica had to do was the right thing, and this would have been a non-story. But for some reason they cannot bring themselves to do that. And when Leica says it is a batch of defective pressure plates, this is not a one off. I bet you most people who have a defective one have no idea their camera is defective because there sadly is a belief amongst many that scratches are a part of the film 'look'. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted February 20, 2023 Share #48 Posted February 20, 2023 8 hours ago, madNbad said: .. Leica’s biggest problem is customer service. .. Leica's customer service: "Sorry" "What are you going to do about it?" "Nothing" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobW0 Posted February 20, 2023 Share #49 Posted February 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Huss said: Imagine how different 'my' story would be if Leica just did the right thing. You buy a new camera that is defective out of the box. Leica exchanges it immediately for another. End of story. Everyone feels good about Leica. Instead. You buy a new camera that is defective out of the box. Leica does not exchange it but holds onto it for 6 weeks. Then returns it not fixed. Then has it for another 6 weeks now (and counting) with the excuse that parts to repair it are unavailable. All Leica had to do was the right thing, and this would have been a non-story. But for some reason they cannot bring themselves to do that. And when Leica says it is a batch of defective pressure plates, this is not a one off. I bet you most people who have a defective one have no idea their camera is defective because there sadly is a belief amongst many that scratches are a part of the film 'look'. How many of those are still in unopened boxes, thinking about what they can sell them for in 15 years as new in box? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madNbad Posted February 20, 2023 Share #50 Posted February 20, 2023 4 hours ago, RobW0 said: How many of those are still in unopened boxes, thinking about what they can sell them for in 15 years as new in box? There will be a lot of searches for "Why does my reissue M6 scratch my really expensive film?" 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted February 20, 2023 Share #51 Posted February 20, 2023 I might invest in new batch M pressure plates........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmans Posted February 21, 2023 Share #52 Posted February 21, 2023 9 hours ago, Huss said:I bet you most people who have a defective one have no idea their camera is defective because there sadly is a belief amongst many that scratches are a part of the film 'look'. Huss… I feel scratches or watermarks, blemishes… are part of the character of film. My acceptance of really depends on the extent of such. But also keep in mind, depending on film brand/type… scratches as an example, are fairly common if cheap film used. Now I do BW so can’t speak to color. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted February 21, 2023 Share #53 Posted February 21, 2023 1 hour ago, lmans said: Huss… I feel scratches or watermarks, blemishes… are part of the character of film. My acceptance of really depends on the extent of such. But also keep in mind, depending on film brand/type… scratches as an example, are fairly common if cheap film used. Now I do BW so can’t speak to color. I use Kentmere 400 which I think is the cheapest film available. No scratches, no blemishes. Unless it is the camera doing that. Actually one film that I have which pretty much is a mess is Shanghai GP3 100 in 220 format. They hand roll it and have lots of flaws in the emulsion from touching it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmans Posted February 21, 2023 Share #54 Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) I use Fomapan and I know it scratches when compared to TriX...I haven't tried Kentmere 400. Will have to try Kentmere but I really am happy with Fomapan. I see that Reformed Lab (where I get my film now) has Kentmere for a bit cheaper than Fomapan. What do you use to develop and times? Edited February 21, 2023 by lmans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted February 21, 2023 Share #55 Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) If you have scratches or blemishes on your film, then that is a fault: film, human, camera or lab. No one should get into film expecting such faults to be part of the practice. It makes no difference whether you like them or not. Since I got back into film a couple of years ago (large format and 35mm) I have not had any problems with scratches or other blemishes: I have chosen labs carefully, and (from younger life) I have enough experience and care to avoid them in home development. When I have had such issues years ago it was while learning to load a reel, or from labs (never from a camera). Edited February 21, 2023 by LocalHero1953 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmans Posted February 21, 2023 Share #56 Posted February 21, 2023 Beg to differ but some images, depending on the effect you want… are ok with scratches and noise. If I prefer old photos and that style…. Then it is ok. I enjoy making that type of photograph Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted February 21, 2023 Share #57 Posted February 21, 2023 20 minutes ago, lmans said: Beg to differ but some images, depending on the effect you want… are ok with scratches and noise. If I prefer old photos and that style…. Then it is ok. I enjoy making that type of photograph Are you saying your M-A scratches film but you like that look? 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmans Posted February 21, 2023 Share #58 Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Huss said: Are you saying your M-A scratches film but you like that look? Remember… the camera , be it an MA or a mp or M6 is just a box that captures the image. What I want the image to look like is up to the film, light, lens, how I process it etc…. Except in your case where you do have that added feature you speak to where your camera adds those scratches. My MA doesn’t scratch Edited February 21, 2023 by lmans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted February 21, 2023 Share #59 Posted February 21, 2023 If you prefer film with scratches that is of course your right. What is not right is to say that scratches on film are normal and to be expected. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted February 21, 2023 Share #60 Posted February 21, 2023 1 hour ago, lmans said: Remember… the camera , be it an MA or a mp or M6 is just a box that captures the image. What I want the image to look like is up to the film, light, lens, how I process it etc…. Except in your case where you do have that added feature you speak to where your camera adds those scratches. My MA doesn’t scratch That must be a huge disappointment for you. Send it back. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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