Leica 35/2 and 50/2 SL ASPH lenses?

[chriscove]

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Not sure how this affects the price or build quality but the Leica 24-70 is made in Japan and the new SL’s in Portugal. 

[nicci78]

all prices VAT inc. in France

Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 DG DN Art : 1990€ vs Leica Vario-Elmarit-SL 24-70mm f/2,8 : 2810€ -> 2.34x premium

Lumix S 35mm f/1.8 : 680€ vs Leica Summicron-SL 35mm f/2 : 2295€ -> 3.38x premium

Lumix S 50mm f/1.8 : 470€ vs Leica Summicron-SL 50mm f/2 : 1990€ -> 4.23x premium

 

For 3700€ you can get the whole set of Lumix S lenses : 18mm + 24mm + 35mm + 50mm + 85mm

Edited February 8, 2023 by nicci78

[kobra]

More details:

https://leica-camera.com/en-US/photography/lenses/sl/summicron-sl-35mm-f2-asph

https://leica-camera.com/en-US/photography/lenses/sl/summicron-sl-50mm-f2-asph 

https://www.reddotforum.com/content/2023/02/leica-introduces-lightweight-summicron-sl-35-and-50mm-f-2-asph-lenses/ 

https://www.macfilos.com/2023/02/08/leica-sl-lenses-new-35-mm-and-50-mm-summicrons-launched/

I am definitely curious to see some real world reviews and how the images compare to the other L mount offerings. 

Brad

[nicci78]

Now I really have a bad feeling about future SL3-S being a rebadge S5 II with cosmetic enhancement and Leica UI at 2x the price

[BernardC]

9 minutes ago, nicci78 said:

Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 DG DN Art : 1990€ vs Leica Vario-Elmarit-SL 24-70mm f/2,8 : 2810€ -> 2.34x premium

Did you mean 1.4x, or is one of the two prices wrong?

[Planetwide]

2 hours ago, Planetwide said:

I own the Panasonic 85mm F1.8. It's a nice lens for the price. Good bokeh, and quite sharp, but it has significant CA on the OOF highlights. It has been optimized for focus breathing, and consequently suffers, in absolute terms, for still photography. The size would accommodate a redesign of the elements. I hope that Leica can replicate the look of M Asph summicrons. My wish would be for the 35mm/F2 to replicate the V4 summicron.

Rebadging lenses is ok, but I agree, where is the 21mm? 

Leica seriously needs to throw the SL line some love...

So much for the redesign... New coatings maybe-Meh

Edited February 8, 2023 by Planetwide

[SrMi]

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2 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

Since I have the 90-280 already and can live with its weight (while still grumbling), a new lens would have to be significantly faster to make me want it as well or instead: 3.4 wouldn't be enough, and probably not 2.8.

That is why I envy the Sony ecosystem: depending on one's requirements, you can get a 135/1.8 or a 135/2.8. Nonetheless, I still use my SL2 more.

[SrMi]

38 minutes ago, kobra said:

More details:

https://leica-camera.com/en-US/photography/lenses/sl/summicron-sl-35mm-f2-asph

https://leica-camera.com/en-US/photography/lenses/sl/summicron-sl-50mm-f2-asph 

https://www.reddotforum.com/content/2023/02/leica-introduces-lightweight-summicron-sl-35-and-50mm-f-2-asph-lenses/ 

https://www.macfilos.com/2023/02/08/leica-sl-lenses-new-35-mm-and-50-mm-summicrons-launched/

I am definitely curious to see some real world reviews and how the images compare to the other L mount offerings. 

Brad

Leica's lenses are 100g heavier (400g vs 300g) than Panasonic's counterparts.

[tangosix]

Anyone else feel like this "cheapens" the whole experience?

I mean, I left Nikon.  If I wanted to shoot cheaply made glass at 2.8 then I would have stayed there with better sensors.  

It feels strange and not in a good way. 

I am happy for the guys who want the lighter lenses cheaper, but my experience tells me this how a business reputation is tarnished.   

[Stuart Richardson]

Looking at the MTF, it is pretty striking how good the APO Summicrons are. The 35mm APO Summicron is significantly sharper across the whole frame at f2 than the new 35mm ASPH is at f/8! The 50mm lenses show the same pattern. The APO Summicron is better wide open than the new lens at f8. My experience with the APO Summicrons has been one of ongoing amazement at how good they are. I never found them to be large or heavy, but admittedly I came from the S system and from large format. So nothing to pull me away from those lenses, but again, more lenses is not a bad thing. I just wish they would put out some focal lengths we don't have already...preferably with more of the APO Summicron level performance, rather than the last three lenses they announced, which were all smaller, cheaper, lower performance versions.

[SrMi]

38 minutes ago, nicci78 said:

Now I really have a bad feeling about future SL3-S being a rebadge S5 II with cosmetic enhancement and Leica UI at 2x the price

Assuming SL3 will support M lenses as well as SL2, it cannot be a rebadge of S5 II. It also does not make sense to have an SL3 with only 24MP.

[helged]

23 minutes ago, Stuart Richardson said:

Looking at the MTF, it is pretty striking how good the APO Summicrons are. The 35mm APO Summicron is significantly sharper across the whole frame at f2 than the new 35mm ASPH is at f/8! The 50mm lenses show the same pattern. The APO Summicron is better wide open than the new lens at f8. My experience with the APO Summicrons has been one of ongoing amazement at how good they are. I never found them to be large or heavy, but admittedly I came from the S system and from large format. So nothing to pull me away from those lenses, but again, more lenses is not a bad thing. I just wish they would put out some focal lengths we don't have already...preferably with more of the APO Summicron level performance, rather than the last three lenses they announced, which were all smaller, cheaper, lower performance versions.

The 21mm APO-Cron is presumably around the corner. Rumors state that this is a Super-APO lens, in contrast to the existing APO-lenses, time will tell, both regard to the time of release and Super-APO vs APO. 

Edited February 8, 2023 by helged

[MediaFotografie]

vor 1 Minute schrieb helged:

The 21mm APO-Cron is presumably around the corner. Rumors state that this is a Super-APO lens, in contrast to the existing APO-lenses, time will tell.

yes, this "super" means (only) wider than 24mm, it's old Leica naming (like SVE 16-35)

[Daniel C.1975]

vor 40 Minuten schrieb SrMi:

Leica's lenses are 100g heavier (400g vs 300g) than Panasonic's counterparts.

Lead in the lens barrel can do the trick 

 

I am really interested how they perform, not against the APOs, but against the Lumix versions. I love my 35mm APO and loved my 75mm APO. But I've paid around 400 Euro for the 1.8 50 from Panasonic. Which is a good but not great lens. Certainly very price worthy. 

Of course it's way too early to call doomsday, or in fact, there is no reason to do so. Just more choices and I am really curious if they will outperform their Lumix counterparts. 

Edited February 8, 2023 by Daniel C.1975

[jcatral14]

Does the fact that the lenses are made in Portugal mean they are a Leica lens and design through and through? I guess they could still be a Panasonic or Sigma design, just manufactured in Portugal 🤔

[Stuart Richardson]

6 minutes ago, jcatral14 said:

Does the fact that the lenses are made in Portugal mean they are a Leica lens and design through and through? I guess they could still be a Panasonic or Sigma design, just manufactured in Portugal 🤔

I think "made in" is a difficult concept to pin down these days, as it is primarily about the final assembly, as parts come from all over the world. I imagine if it says made in Portugal, the majority of the assembly is there, but I would think that the optics could originate in Japan and the lens could still be marked made in Portugal. But of course, the entire lens could be made there too. Where do the Panasonic lenses say they are made? Japan?

[dem331]

Is there any reason why these lenses are announced on a day like today Wednesday, February 8? 
 

When would they announce the 21mm APO - as soon as it is ready or on a particular date? 

[RBB]

I assume the quality is not up on par with the APO versions. I love the APO versions, they are great and that will remain regardless of the new lenses, it also makes the SL system more accessible and perhaps this also creates more opportunities (budget) for Leica to invest more in the APO line.

[ellisson]

Does not matter to me where its made; Leica's QC is operative.  Never heard anyone complain about a Leica Portugal lens other than their concern about re-sale value, which is of course, about "optics" of a different kind. 

Nice to have the non-APO option for the SL lenses, although still expensive compared to the Sigma Contemporary line.  Awaiting some images for comparisons beyond weight and price.  

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[bandrews]

1 hour ago, tangosix said:

Anyone else feel like this "cheapens" the whole experience?

I mean, I left Nikon.  If I wanted to shoot cheaply made glass at 2.8 then I would have stayed there with better sensors.  

It feels strange and not in a good way. 

I am happy for the guys who want the lighter lenses cheaper, but my experience tells me this how a business reputation is tarnished.   

You say that as though Leica hasn't been collaborating with Panasonic (and countless other brand partnerships) for the last 20 years. Nobody is taking away the APO lenses but Leica need sales and their last attempt at building a camera system (TL APSC) fell flat. Leica will always be expensive but it needs to be more than just a one trick pony (M). The company can still broaden its appeal and access without losing what makes it desirable but unless Leica starts selling more lenses under their own brand it will be Sigma and Panasonic making the most from this alliance