SL3 Rumors

[dynaerik]

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vor 7 Stunden schrieb Chaemono:

Note that there was never a Q2-P version.

Which is a shame ... id love to have one. The reporter was close to a P .. but that's another thread

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[helged]

28 minutes ago, Chaemono said:

That’s close to the M10-P used prices. My dealer told me there is huge demand for used M10/-Ps. People are clamoring for a rangefinder that they can focus at shutter speeds of 1/f and not have to bump up the ISO. 

Implying that the M10 does induce less shutter blurriness (or similar) than the M11? I ask, because I don't know (and I don't follow the M-line too closely since I mostly use the SL and S systems).

[trickness]

39 minutes ago, Chaemono said:

That’s close to the M10-P used prices. My dealer told me there is huge demand for used M10/-Ps. People are clamoring for a rangefinder that they can focus at shutter speeds of 1/f and not have to bump up the ISO. 

I think it’s more a desire for a proven, elegant platform (bottom plate) that doesn’t freeze or brick. And 24 megapixels really are enough. 

Edited October 10, 2023 by trickness

[Chaemono]

vor 22 Minuten schrieb helged:

Implying that the M10 does induce less shutter blurriness (or similar) than the M11? I ask, because I don't know (and I don't follow the M-line too closely since I mostly use the SL and S systems).

I think that’s a big part of it. The counter-argument to the visible camera shake effect at shutter speeds of 1/f with the M11 is that one has to view the picture at the same size as the M10 files when zooming in. Then there is no discernible blurriness. To which I say, yes, but then the point that one can crop a lot more with the M11 than with the M10 is moot. 

[Gavin G]

I think Leica release SL3 soon? I found my country SL's ambassador now at Germany now

[trickness]

2 minutes ago, Gavin G said:

I think Leica release SL3 soon? I found my country SL's ambassador now at Germany now

I’m guessing early 2023, although I certainly thought it was gonna be fall 2022. Hot on the heels of the Q3, and with the impending introduction of the M11-P, I just can’t see them releasing another new camera before the end of the year. But I guess we will see.

[Stuart Richardson]

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Last time they announced it around Paris Photo, which is Nov 9-12 or so. So finger’s crossed.

[T25UFO]

1 hour ago, trickness said:

I’m guessing early 2023

I’m guessing it won’t be early 2023 😂

[trickness]

27 minutes ago, T25UFO said:

I’m guessing it won’t be early 2023 😂

Ah jeez 🤣 

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2 hours ago, Gavin G said:

I think Leica release SL3 soon? I found my country SL's ambassador now at Germany now

The Leica International Society holds it's Annual Meeting in Wetzlar next week, with the usual 'suspects' present: https://leicasocietyinternational.org/events/annual-meeting-conference-2023

[tritentrue]

Interesting to see in these parts that secondhand SL2 prices fell through the floorboards in the last few weeks, so much so that I grabbed one--again.  Maybe somebody knows something . . . 

[SJH]

20 hours ago, Chaemono said:

That’s close to the M10-P used prices. My dealer told me there is huge demand for used M10/-Ps. People are clamoring for a rangefinder that they can focus at shutter speeds of 1/f and not have to bump up the ISO. 

I think this has been a bit overdone really, frankly I've had the M10P, M10R and now the M11 (all from launch) and I really wouldn't go back. Yes you need slightly more shutter speed but overall the are so many advantages that mitigate this from the great battery, better highlight weighted metering, crop ability, better EVF for those Noctilux lenses, no daft bottom plate from the 50's (I have an MP & M6 for that).

In the UK M10P prices are close to the M10R but the M11 used price remains higher by quite a margin. Equally yes a minority had some issues but again that was vastly 'internet' overdone, just look a the M11 freezing posts - so many repeats around the same incident, general wailing etc and then extract the genuine incidents and there are far fewer 'primary' posts. Mine was fine from launch and no freezes, unlike my M10R & M10M which had a few.

Going back to the SL3, I think the Wetzlar Elves are busy on the M11P this month (M11M spec) and then the SL3 comes early in the New Year once they've sorted out a few PDAF glitches from the early Q3 firmware.

[thatkatmat]

Guys and Gals, I don't really care when they release the SL3...I just want them to release one. I don't want this mount to die. I feel like the longer we wait, the more likely my L lenses find the same fate as R lenses. I don't trust they aren't leading me on. I mean, Sigma released the DC lenses like, the day before they discontinued the CL (Okay, maybe not the day before, but it felt like it) I have a full CL system that I love, but that is discontinued, no more new stuff, no mkII, just eat it.

Anyways, tell me why you're sure they're not going to do it again.

[Stuart Richardson]

The SL2S was released in late 2020 / early 2021. In the interim, Leica has launched several lenses. Certainly many were rebrands, but I think there is no danger of Leica getting rid of the L mount any time in the near future. Leica is been very profitable in recent years, and the three current pillars of the line are the M, Q and SL cameras. If Leica is going to cut down on camera lines it is far more likely that it would be the S than the SL. That is a camera in a situation like the R was (very few releases for years ahead of the discontinuation, a camera out of step with the rest of the market and so on). The SL was released on October 20th 2015, and the Sl2 on November 6th 2019, and it is only just now that that schedule is coming. If there is no camera by next summer, then I would say things might look a bit less rosy. As of now, we are right on schedule.

 

[BernardC]

32 minutes ago, thatkatmat said:

I don't want this mount to die.

I doubt it will. If anything it seems to be growing, with BlackMagic (makers of cinema cameras) joining the alliance recently last month.

[hdmesa]

On 10/11/2023 at 8:50 AM, BernardC said:

I doubt it will. If anything it seems to be growing, with BlackMagic (makers of cinema cameras) joining the alliance recently last month.

Exactly. L-mount lens options are growing right now. The popularity of the Lumix S5 II has also helped.

If any mount is in trouble, it would be Canon RF due to Canon refusing to allow third party lens manufactures to sell autofocus RF lenses. Sony learned the lesson of not locking people out of their ecosystem with the PS3 debacle. Canon, however, will have to learn the hard way. Z and L mount are well on their way to surpass RF.

[LocalHero1953]

On 10/11/2023 at 3:15 PM, thatkatmat said:

Guys and Gals, I don't really care when they release the SL3...I just want them to release one. I don't want this mount to die. I feel like the longer we wait, the more likely my L lenses find the same fate as R lenses. I don't trust they aren't leading me on. I mean, Sigma released the DC lenses like, the day before they discontinued the CL (Okay, maybe not the day before, but it felt like it) I have a full CL system that I love, but that is discontinued, no more new stuff, no mkII, just eat it.

Anyways, tell me why you're sure they're not going to do it again.

R lenses are in demand and their prices are rising, because of their attractiveness to cinematographers. L-mount lenses (especially the Summicrons) could go the same way now that the L-mount consortium has been joined by Blackmagic.

Edit: Oops, I see Bernard has already made the same comment.

Edited October 12, 2023 by LocalHero1953

[LocalHero1953]

58 minutes ago, hdmesa said:

Exactly. L-mount lens options are growing right now. The popularity of the Lumix S5 II has also helped.

If any mount is in trouble, it would be Canon RF due to Canon refusing to allow third party lens manufactures to sell autofocus RF lenses. Sony learned the lesson of not locking people out of their ecosystem with the PS3 debacle. Canon, however, will have to learn the hard way. Z and L mount are well on their way to surpass RF.

It's notable that up till now Blackmagic has used Canon mounts, but has switched to L.

Edited October 12, 2023 by LocalHero1953

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[trickness]

On 10/11/2023 at 10:28 AM, Stuart Richardson said:

The SL2S was released in late 2020 / early 2021. In the interim, Leica has launched several lenses. Certainly many were rebrands, but I think there is no danger of Leica getting rid of the L mount any time in the near future. Leica is been very profitable in recent years, and the three current pillars of the line are the M, Q and SL cameras. If Leica is going to cut down on camera lines it is far more likely that it would be the S than the SL. That is a camera in a situation like the R was (very few releases for years ahead of the discontinuation, a camera out of step with the rest of the market and so on). The SL was released on October 20th 2015, and the Sl2 on November 6th 2019, and it is only just now that that schedule is coming. If there is no camera by next summer, then I would say things might look a bit less rosy. As of now, we are right on schedule.

 

I don't think anyone here should doubt there will be an SL3. I certainly don't!

[thatkatmat]

Well, I love all the optimism and it's exactly what I needed to hear. I love my SL2 system and don't have much need for an SL3 except perhaps more MP's for my CL/TL glass.  I would like to see Leica release a couple more L-mount primes, the 21mm APO in particular.