SL3 Rumors

[tomasis7]

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if we discuss Leica look, we'd have 1000 pages. I buy Leica lenses because I like them. If others want to buy Sony or Sigma based on other criteria, that's fine. I laugh when someone owning an Apo lens applauds Sony because it is smaller and cheaper, and "better". 🤣

 

 

[Simone_DF]

1 hour ago, tomasis7 said:

2. Lol, the lens is the most important part of equipment. Every photographer knows it. 

Camera sensors are as important nowadays. Take a M lens and take the same shot with a SL2, SL2-S, M10 and M11 and you'll get 4 slightly different results.

1 hour ago, tomasis7 said:

3. L-system is fairly new.

Not really. The L system (Panasonic + Sigma + Leica) was born in 2018, though the L mount has been available since 2014. The Summilux SL was launched in 2017. We've been 6 years without a second 'lux added to the lineup, though no one knows why, which is still the original question here.

The first Nikon Z is dated 2019. Canon RF is also from 2018.

1 hour ago, tomasis7 said: 

4. You haven't understood. Pick TWO of three. Not the one. Think of the M-lux vs SL-lux 

Since I haven't understood, please explain to me which two Leica has picked up between size, performance and price.

[Simone_DF]

13 minutes ago, tomasis7 said:

I laugh when someone owning an Apo lens applauds Sony because it is smaller and cheaper, and "better". 🤣

I still don't understand what Apo lenses have to do with the Summilux (which is not an Apo lens) and a Sony f/1.2, which has also another scope as the core strenght.

[Le Chef]

19 minutes ago, tomasis7 said:

if we discuss Leica look, we'd have 1000 pages.

It would be interesting to see/read how AI defines “The Leica Look”

[tomasis7]

3 minutes ago, Simone_DF said:

Camera sensors are as important nowadays. Take a M lens and take the same shot with a SL2, SL2-S, M10 and M11 and you'll get 4 slightly different results.

Not really. The L system (Panasonic + Sigma + Leica) was born in 2018, though the L mount has been available since 2014. The Summilux SL was launched in 2017. We've been 6 years without a second 'lux added to the lineup, though no one knows why, which is still the original question here.

The first Nikon Z is dated 2019. Canon RF is also from 2018.

Since I haven't understood, please explain to me which two Leica has picked up between size, performance and price.

1. Since modern lenses aka Karbe are more "boring" then you could play with sensors/profiles to bring the Leica look in color. But in the previous comment, I was thinking of worse lenses like zooms versus primes in various brands using the same sensor. Owning a better lens matters a lot more on whether 6mpx or 24mpx. 

2. M created since when? 70 years or something. 

3. M-50mm Apo costs 9500 eur in Sweden meanwhile 5500 eur for SL Apo equivalent. SL glasses are cheaper if you take out of AF parts.  

[T25UFO]

1 minute ago, Le Chef said:

It would be interesting to see/read how AI defines “The Leica Look”

That's simple.  Ask ChatGPT, copy, paste, and then preferably ignore 😂

[tomasis7]

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10 minutes ago, Simone_DF said:

I still don't understand what Apo lenses have to do with the Summilux (which is not an Apo lens) and a Sony f/1.2, which has also another scope as the core strenght.

You forgot the quality 🤣

[Simone_DF]

9 minutes ago, tomasis7 said:

3. M-50mm Apo costs 9500 eur in Sweden meanwhile 5500 eur for SL Apo equivalent. SL glasses are cheaper if you take out of AF parts.  

Again with the Apo. We are talking about the SUMMILUX, the one with 1.4 aperture, not the Apo. 

[Simone_DF]

11 minutes ago, tomasis7 said:

2. M created since when? 70 years or something. 
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Sure, and my grandma is even older than that. But we are talking about autofocus lenses. Summilux SL to be specific (not Apo). 

[tomasis7]

I repeat the same thing. You cannot get cheaper lenses in smaller packages for the same price.

 

[Simone_DF]

1 minute ago, tomasis7 said:

I repeat the same thing. You cannot get cheaper lenses in smaller packages for the same price.

Same price of what? The Summilux SL is 5890€

 

[tomasis7]

Just now, Simone_DF said:

Same price of what? The Summilux SL is 5890€

 

you complain that it is heavy and overpriced vs Sony if we go back to our first posts. I mentioned M lenses so you can see how big a difference Lux makes vs Cron. 

Dont try even think of Summilux APO

[Simone_DF]

8 minutes ago, tomasis7 said:

Summilux APO

No such thing. You have the f/2.0 Summicron APO and the f/1.4 Summilux (which is not an APO).

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[Simone_DF]

4 minutes ago, tomasis7 said:

you complain that it is heavy and overpriced vs Sony if we go back to our first posts.

Yes it is, it's heavy and overpriced vs the Sony, which is an outstanding lens. But the Sony is also newer and avails of new technology to shrink the overall form factor. Hopefully we'll see the same tech applied by other manufacturer, including Leica.

5 minutes ago, tomasis7 said:

I mentioned M lenses so you can see how big a difference Lux makes vs Cron. 

The Summilux M is 4190, the Summilux SL is 5890. 

One of the reasons why the SL APO Summicron are cheaper than the M counterpart is because Leica went for the same form factor for all SL Summicrons, reducing cost. 

[tomasis7]

Just now, Simone_DF said:

No such thing. You have the f/2.0 Summicron APO and the f/1.4 Summilux APO.

 

you lack a sense of humor. It would be a 2kg and 20 000 euro. 

it would be fair to compare Cron non-Apo vs Lux non-Apo.. Cron weighs 350gr and Lux 1000gr. 

Apo weighs 750gr and has fancy glass elements. 

[PeterBoyadjian]

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[tomasis7]

5 minutes ago, Simone_DF said:

Yes it is, it's heavy and overpriced vs the Sony, which is an outstanding lens. But the Sony is also newer and avails of new technology to shrink the overall form factor. Hopefully we'll see the same tech applied by other manufacturer, including Leica.

The Summilux M is 4190, the Summilux SL is 5890. 

One of the reasons why the SL APO Summicron are cheaper than the M counterpart is because Leica went for the same form factor for all SL Summicrons, reducing cost. 

We need to focus on talking about 100% optics/glass material selection. I don't know much about that. Zeiss in is the same place.

Leica has been producing stuff for the industry. They are willing to go for extremely expensive glass compared to Sony/Fuji. It has nothing to do with the tech prowess. Japanese might be smarter and reduce the price for mass production. It is about company philosophy. Zeiss refused Asph for their ZM lenses

My reason for SL lenses is that they are bigger and therefore cheaper despite AF in comparison to M. 

Edited January 26, 2024 by tomasis7

[LocalHero1953]

And there was I thinking this thread was about about SL3 rumours. How wrong can you be?

Edited January 26, 2024 by LocalHero1953

[Olaf_ZG]

34 minutes ago, tomasis7 said:

Zeiss refused Asph for their ZM lenses

 

Zeiss refused any new zm lenses…

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[jaapv]

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