Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 26, 2007 Share #41 Posted October 26, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) If i sell the 28 cron than the whole system was sold , that is how I feel about the 28mm cron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kent10D Posted October 26, 2007 Share #42 Posted October 26, 2007 Leica lenses tend to breed in your bag - picking a lighter lens leaves room for more. Har! That really is a great line! My question is: why is it that whenever the little buggers decide to breed they leave a massive hole in my bank account? If they'd just breed I'd be a lot happier. Digital Dude -- 50 'lux is a great second choice I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent10D Posted October 26, 2007 Share #43 Posted October 26, 2007 Aw heck guys, now this lens breeding thing has got my time-wasting brain cells (most of them) wiggling. So if you leave a Noctilux and a Summicron together in your bag overnight do you wake up to find a little Nocticron? Or how about an Elmarit and Summilix: Elmarlux? (Yeah, yeah, I know that should be a Summarit, but that's no fun). The marketing possibilities for Leica haven't been exhausted yet! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Printmaker Posted October 27, 2007 Share #44 Posted October 27, 2007 The 28/50 combo has its merits. I've used two 50 crons over the years and it is a wonderful little lens. Too bad my current DR50 will not mount on my M8. Oh well. The 50 is nice for certain types of portraits and table tops... kinda like a 210 on a 4x5. I'll probably have to get a new one as well one day. I offered the 90 over the 75 because, when lighting with studio strobes, the 90 (now the 75) never gave me enough room away from my subjects. I was always shaddowing my fill. A slightly longer lens let me get behind the reflector or umbrella. (yeah, I know 210, but a long cable release got me behind the light). But if your style of shooting lets you get in close or requires isolating a subject, the go 50. Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Ortego Posted October 27, 2007 Author Share #45 Posted October 27, 2007 ...But if your style of shooting lets you get in close or requires isolating a subject, the go 50. Tom Actually, I think the 90 is a great recommendation based on the points you mentioned. Guy’s strategy of a “lens set” makes since although I wonder how often I will use a 21mm. Unquestionably, I will need to close the gap and the 50mm looks like a safe purchase. I’m trying to select lenses, whereby I don’t end up selling and buying like' baseball cards. I certainly don’t have the resources to own a slew of lenses. Two is a must, while three is my practical limit. Regards, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted October 27, 2007 Share #46 Posted October 27, 2007 Daniel, 28/50 is a great combination. I know it's all down to personal preference, but I use a 50 _far_ more with my M8 than a 90. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Ortego Posted October 27, 2007 Author Share #47 Posted October 27, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Steve, Thanks for the sanity check, since I’m already wondering how much a “new” 50-lux’ is going to cost me. Regards, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted October 27, 2007 Share #48 Posted October 27, 2007 Daniel, if you want to save some money, think about a used 50mm Summicron. There are lots of them about. Ffordes in the UK have a 4 starting at £425 and going up to an ex-demo one for £799. I'm sure there are similar, or better, deals elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Ortego Posted October 27, 2007 Author Share #49 Posted October 27, 2007 Thanks, but I’m a proud recipient of OCD & anal-retentive behavior. I only want “new” lenses so I can slap the two additional year warranty on top of the 3-year Leica warranty (here in the US). That's why I'm trying to be super-careful with my choices. Regards, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted October 27, 2007 Share #50 Posted October 27, 2007 Thanks, but I’m a proud recipient of OCD & anal-retentive behavior. I only want “new” lenses so I can slap the two additional year warranty on top of the 3-year Leica warranty (here in the US). That's why I'm trying to be super-careful with my choices.Regards, Lately I have enjoyed the 50/1.5 Zeiss quit a bit, but its a kind of special lens with a somewhat less sharp appearance wide open, and sometimes a little harsh bokeh. I really like it and have used it lately more than my 50luxasph (which is a great lens for sure). 50/1.5 Zeiss: Cheers, Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbarker13 Posted October 27, 2007 Share #51 Posted October 27, 2007 I find the 50mm focal length to be a bit odd with the M8, but that's just me. I much prefer the 75mm (the lux is such a beautiful lens), which perhaps isn't for everyone. If I were going to use only two lenses, I think I'd want something with a little more reach on the telephoto side. 67mm (or whatever the effective focal length of the 50 is) just isn't enough for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Ortego Posted October 28, 2007 Author Share #52 Posted October 28, 2007 I find the 50mm focal length to be a bit odd with the M8, but that's just me. I much prefer the 75mm (the lux is such a beautiful lens), which perhaps isn't for everyone.If I were going to use only two lenses, I think I'd want something with a little more reach on the telephoto side. 67mm (or whatever the effective focal length of the 50 is) just isn't enough for me. Well, after some thought I would agree with you although I still like the idea of a “lens set” rather than a lens collection. At this point, I’ve decided that the 50-Noctilux will be my next lens. Of course I’ll be eating crackers and water for the next 12-months but who cares? Regards, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted October 28, 2007 Share #53 Posted October 28, 2007 Daniel, I'd try to find a dealer who will let you have a play with a Nocti before buying one. It's a great lens, but personally I wouldn't want it as my only 50mm. It's not so much that it's difficult to focus at f1 - which it is - or the weight, but that the focus has a long throw and it isn't a lens that can be focused quickly because of that. If I was going for a first 50 now - I have a Summicron and a Nocti - I'd probably get a Summilux. That seems to have good balance of speed and size. The Summilux is also probably the sharper lens, but hand held any differences between it and the Nocti are likely to be more or less negated. If a dealer could let you try the lens, even if it's just to see how well you like the focussing speed, I think it would be a good move. After saying that you'll probably love it <grin> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted October 28, 2007 Share #54 Posted October 28, 2007 I agree with Steve, the Noctilux should not be one of a two or even three lens set and should probably not be your only 50. I also agree the Summilux is the best choice - of the 4 50s I own, it's the one I use most. I think it was Guy who described the lens as a one trick pony - interesting at f1 (though as the bokeh examples show, not to everyone's taste) - but once you've stopped down and realised how difficult it is to focus (and adjust for focus shift), you might just regret it. I think you might get more "utility" from a 50/1.4 and a 75/2 or else explore the Summarits and keep in mind (if wide angle appeals) that we expect some lower cost lenses in the 18-21 range to complement your 28. Won't be f2 though, sadly. But don't you need to get a body first? Nothing like actually taking photographs to shape your plans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Posted October 28, 2007 Share #55 Posted October 28, 2007 I concur with Steve. First had 28mm, then 50mm. Adding 21mm and CV90 last. The 90mm is seldom used. In terms frequency of use 50mm, 28mm, big gap then 21mm then even bigger gap before 90mm. Buying Zeiss meant I could afford the intial two lenses and they were available - Buying Leica would have precluded me having more than 2 lenses. I tested both Zeiss 50mm offerings, but the 1.5 didn't focus accurately - front focusing as detailed elsewhere on this forum/web. Shot text on angled door in Robert White's so bought the cheaper f2 version which did focus accurately. Tom seems to have tamed his 1.5 nicely though. I leave the discussion to nuances between OOF areas in Leica models to the experts. Expending effort on content, timing, exposure etc I feel yields bigger rewards since this is what attracts the majority of viewers. As an aside - don't expect to offset the Leica shopping by joining Getty Images with an M8, not on their list of approved cameras. But a D200 is.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted October 28, 2007 Share #56 Posted October 28, 2007 Expending effort on content, timing, exposure etc I feel yields bigger rewards since this is what attracts the majority of viewers. Absolutely Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Ortego Posted October 28, 2007 Author Share #57 Posted October 28, 2007 I agree with Steve, the Noctilux should not be one of a two or even three lens set and should probably not be your only 50. I also agree the Summilux is the best choice - of the 4 50s I own, it's the one I use most... But don't you need to get a body first? Nothing like actually taking photographs to shape your plans. Thanks for that perspective since it is a valid point. I tend to buy & bag the components based on what I read and in this case, it was the low-light capabilities. My M8 will ship as soon as it arrives from my supplier and the 50-lux’ may well be the better choice. Regards, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted October 28, 2007 Share #58 Posted October 28, 2007 and the 50-lux’ may well be the better choice. Regards, I originally didn't think I'd need, or want to spend the money on, a real fast lens. But on a whim I ordered a 50 Lux. It is one GREAT lens and it is on one of my M8 almost all the time. My 50 Summicron is in the safe and hasn't been on any of my M's since getting the Lux. Some have stated that the 50 is a odd lens on the M8. Well all the lenses are odd on the M8 (except maybe the 21 which turns into a 28), 35 = 47, 28 = 37, 24 = 32 (OK the 24 actually turns into a lens with a even number but it is still odd), 50 = 66.x and so on. I always liked the 50 on film M's and still like it on the M8. It's all about where you stand. I think most of the people on this forum that now have a 50 Nocti is becasue they got them at the old price and with the 30% off deal. If I had been eligible for that deal I might of gotten one myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 28, 2007 Share #59 Posted October 28, 2007 It's really hard to beat the 50 lux in many area's compared to the Nocti , size , weight, focusing which the Lux has tab focusing plus the action of focusing is much smoother on the LUX and the fact that at 1.4 it is really sharp as a tack. I look at this lens in the 50 arena as the do all lens. You can get excellent results wide open with lots of nice smooth OOF area's. When stopped down it is the go too lens for utmost detail. When I need sharp it is one of those first choice lenses. May want to even look at the pre-asph and maybe more in line wide open with the Nocti. The Nocti too me is not a second choice lens . First would be the 28 , 50 lux than for me a 21mm. So for the 28 mm focal length lens set a great basic kit is 21, 28 and 50 than add a 75 or 90 later. Many different 90's out there too and the summarits are coming soon. If you chose the 35mm lens set than 24,35 and 75mm would be a good basic set. For beginning users on the M systems or any system think lens sets is really the way to go than fill in as needed. The Nocti too me is a fill in lens, just like the 12mm and 135mm. Last night I shot a little reception for a lady who is one of my big corporate clients and 90 percent of the shots were with the 28mm and next the 21mm. I used the 35mm for a couple of shots because i really wanted too but the 28mm gets a lot of play. So having the 28mm i would just surround your lens set with support for it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Ortego Posted October 28, 2007 Author Share #60 Posted October 28, 2007 ...So having the 28mm i would just surround your lens set with support for it As usual, you’re perspective is right on target and easy to digest. I practically ordered the 50-lux’ as I read your post. BTW: I enjoyed your comments regarding the A&A “Image Smith” bag. Thanks, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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