dickgillberg Posted January 16, 2023 Share #1 Posted January 16, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi, Just bought a new 21 sem. Can anyone enlighten me the difference of the lenses? Seems to be quite different. My lens that was built in mars 22 looks like the one without hood. Both pictures come from the Leica site. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/361751-21-super-elmar-m-question/?do=findComment&comment=4645540'>More sharing options...
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Jeff S Posted January 16, 2023 Share #2 Posted January 16, 2023 FWIW, Rumors posted this last year.. https://leicarumors.com/2022/03/13/two-different-versions-of-the-leica-super-elmar-m-21mm-f-3-4-asph-lens.aspx/amp/ Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickgillberg Posted January 16, 2023 Author Share #3 Posted January 16, 2023 Thank you, Jeff. But kind of strange that the official picture at the Leica site show an older version than what you can buy. 😊 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gelatino Posted January 16, 2023 Share #4 Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) The rear element seems to protrude less on the top version (V1 according to Leica rumors) Edited January 16, 2023 by Gelatino Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 16, 2023 Share #5 Posted January 16, 2023 Yes not really two versions but two variants of the same lens. Variant one was nicer IMO but had focusing issues if memory serves so Leica replaced it by variant two. I would check if your sample works fine, in which case it could have a higher collector value. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/361751-21-super-elmar-m-question/?do=findComment&comment=4645715'>More sharing options...
01af Posted January 16, 2023 Share #6 Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) There is no difference between the two versions with regard to the glass. The only difference is the obvious thickness of the lower part of the barrel (thicker in the later version). In the original version it was possible to block the focus ring's movement by simply pressing the lower barrel real hard with two fingers; the material was too flimsy. Only one batch of the original version was produced, then halted after the issue came up. Production was suspended for a couple of months, then continued with the revised version. Owners of the original version were offered a replacement of their lens with the improved version at no additional cost. I guess the number of original-version lenses out in the wild is minuscule today; they probably have gained some collector's value by now. Edited January 16, 2023 by 01af 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted January 16, 2023 Share #7 Posted January 16, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) There was no first and second version, at launch it was discovered that lens barrel was not strong enough and it was recalled for full redesign to reinforce the weak barrel. There could be that few specimens were sold and owners never returned those to Leica for remedial work, these could be seen as collector material due to rarity but essentially flawd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickgillberg Posted January 16, 2023 Author Share #8 Posted January 16, 2023 25 minutes ago, mmradman said: There was no first and second version, at launch it was discovered that lens barrel was not strong enough and it was recalled for full redesign to reinforce the weak barrel. There could be that few specimens were sold and owners never returned those to Leica for remedial work, these could be seen as collector material due to rarity but essentially flawd. Ok thank you all but it is still strange that Leica use the old version in their sales material. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted January 16, 2023 Share #9 Posted January 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, dickgillberg said: Ok thank you all but it is still strange that Leica use the old version in their sales material. Call me cynical, probably clueless paper pusher in Marketing Department. Despite illustrious name businesses like Leica employ people of fairly average abilities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 16, 2023 Share #10 Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) Was the same with Elmarit 21/2.8 (11134) in the eighties. Early E49 variant caused some vignetting so was replaced by a E60 variant while E49 photos remained in Leica catalogues for a couple of years. Edited January 16, 2023 by lct 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 16, 2023 Share #11 Posted January 16, 2023 4 hours ago, dickgillberg said: Thank you, Jeff. But kind of strange that the official picture at the Leica site show an older version than what you can buy. 😊 Marketing…and customer communications..not Leica core strengths. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olegn Posted January 16, 2023 Share #12 Posted January 16, 2023 I didn't understand from the answers what is the problem with the 1st version. Can anyone please explain it to me more concrete? i have the 1st version and what to check if it's ok but don't understand what to check) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 17, 2023 Share #13 Posted January 17, 2023 1 hour ago, olegn said: i have the 1st version and what to check if it's ok but don't understand what to check) If you don't see focusing problem mentioned above they don't exist for you so keep your lens as is and pray for it to become as expensive as the E49 Elmarit 21/2.8 i was referring to. BTW the last time i checked (June 2017), the E49 Elmarit 21/2.8 was offered for EUR 14,000 on e**y. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted January 17, 2023 Share #14 Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) 21 hours ago, olegn said: I didn't understand from the answers what is the problem with the 1st version. Can anyone please explain it to me more concrete? A subtle engineering issue... 😉 Funny enough, the brochure I find has the techincal drawing with the left side - "photogrphic" - of the 2nd variant, and the right side - "Techdrawing cross section" - of the 1st variant... which helps to identify the origin of the problem... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited January 17, 2023 by luigi bertolotti 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/361751-21-super-elmar-m-question/?do=findComment&comment=4647558'>More sharing options...
ironringer Posted February 28, 2023 Share #15 Posted February 28, 2023 So the conclusion is - don't PINCH the lens too hard when mounting 🙂. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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