Ideas about non Leica primes for SL2?

[Photoworks]

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10 hours ago, oculaii said:

The Lumix S Pro 50mm f1.4 is one of my best lens.

there are many reviews with full size images out there. I don't think you can tell the difference .

And as a bonus: there are both slow in focusing 😉

[Photoworks]

On 1/15/2023 at 4:51 PM, FlashGordonPhotography said:

Native or adapted.

Native is full of options. Start with the Sigma 45mm 2.8 and work your way up.

Adapted leaves only hundreds of options. For my money the CV 50mm f1.0 (the new one) is the lens to be beaten.

Gordon

Sorry Gordon, but the 45 is not a good lens. I can even sell it, nobody want it.

[oculaii]

11 hours ago, Photoworks said:

there are many reviews with full size images out there. I don't think you can tell the difference .

And as a bonus: there are both slow in focusing 😉

As Chaemono said, there is some differences in the rendering between the two lenses. But I would not say the Summicron-SL has better rendering.

By the way, the Lumix focus very fast. 

[Simone_DF]

14 hours ago, Photoworks said:

Sorry Gordon, but the 45 is not a good lens. I can even sell it, nobody want it.

I like the 45. Small, compact, great rendering (aka "character"), perfect walkaround lens at an attractive price. I wish Sigma would focus more on character lenses like this one. For perfection we have the Summicrons.

[Stuart Richardson]

I tried the Sigma 45mm as well, and found little to commend it...at least compared to the other options in the L mount lineup. I think the 35mm f2 DG DN, while not comparable to the 35mm APO SL, is a better lens than the 45mm 2.8. If I were looking closer to that focal length and looking for a less expensive lens, I would look at the Panasonic 50mm 1.8. By most accounts it is a fairly plastic-feeling build quality, but a good performer. I don't have a problem with Sigma...I have been very impressed by the 24mm 3.5 and found the 35mm f2 to be pretty good, but the 45mm was not to my taste. As everyone knows, it is soft wide open and close up, but I could forgive that more if it were an f2 or f1.4 lens, but being already slow to begin with, I don't think it is a particularly good lens choice when there are plenty of great lenses around that focal length (many M mount 50mm lenses, the above mentioned 50mm 1.8 Panasonic, and of course the Leica SL mount lenses).

[Photoworks]

6 hours ago, oculaii said:

As Chaemono said, there is some differences in the rendering between the two lenses. But I would not say the Summicron-SL has better rendering.

By the way, the Lumix focus very fast. 

I am glad you are happy with the 45mm, I am not saying to go for SL lens, few other option are available. From the sigma DG DN lenses the 45 is the weakest , you need f5.6 to be in focus.

I like the Lumix 50 1.4, but I am not the only on saying: AF is slow.

 

[SrMi]

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18 hours ago, Photoworks said:

Sorry Gordon, but the 45 is not a good lens. I can even sell it, nobody want it.

Like many others, I find the 45 an excellent lens, especially if closed to f/4.

[oculaii]

1 hour ago, Photoworks said:

I am glad you are happy with the 45mm, I am not saying to go for SL lens, few other option are available. From the sigma DG DN lenses the 45 is the weakest , you need f5.6 to be in focus.

I like the Lumix 50 1.4, but I am not the only on saying: AF is slow.

 

I'm very happy with the 50mm S Pro, not the 45mm DG DN. The 45mm Sigma is a nice little lens though (but it is soft wide open at close distance, at f3.5 f4 it performs way better).

The 50mm S Pro is very fast for photos with the S5 and S1. I don't use it a lot for video because I almost never film at f1.4, but on this video I think it performs pretty well with the S5 II :

 

[Simone_DF]

There's a new contender in town coming soon (?)

Sigma is about to release a 50mm f1.4 DG DN Art:

• Lens construction: 14 elements in 11 groups
• Shortest shooting distance: 45cm
• Maximum magnification: 1:6.8
• Number of aperture blades: 11 (circular aperture)
• Filter diameter: 72mm
• Size: 78.2 x 109.5mm (L mount)
• Weight: 670g
• Lens hood: LH782-02
• Lens cap: LCF-72 III

At 670g and with a 72mm filter, it is both smaller and lighter than the Summilux or the S Pro. Being in the Art series also means its core is image quality. I think I'll wait some reviews and samples, at least on paper it looks like a great option. 

https://digicame-info.com/2023/01/50mm-f14-dg-dn-art2.html

[michali]

On 1/15/2023 at 11:37 PM, ChuckNonverbal said:

I’m wondering if anyone could share their experience with any sharp, characterful non Leica prime lenses? I was considering the Sigma 40mm as one possibility. Thanks in advance, Chuck

I offloaded all my Leica L primes & kept only the Leica VE24-90mm & 90-280mm. With the funds I bought an SL2-S as a back up to the SL2, purchased a number Sigma L mount lenses (primes & zooms) & still had change left over. 

There's nothing not to like about the Sigmas, affordable, well made, sharp & excellent IQ. Several of the Sigmas also have an aperture ring which I love. 

Even their APSC zooms deliver excellent results on full frame.

Below are 2 images taken with the APSC Sigma 18-50mm f2.8 which I bought as a light alternative to the VE24-90mm, when needing to travel light.

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Pygmy Kingfisher.  SL2-S & Sigma 18-50mm f2.8 DC DN @ 50mm

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Crab diver, Benguerra Island Mozambique   -SL2 & Sigma 18-50mm DC DN f2.8 @ 30mm

Edited January 29, 2023 by michali

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14/1.8 Sigma L Mount

[cj3209]

Anyone use the Leica TL lenses, specifically the APO 35mm (53mm) and 60mm (90mm) macro on an SL2 body?  You lose some mps but still not too shabby at around 20 megs.

[Almbt]

On 1/17/2023 at 10:13 PM, Photoworks said:

And as a bonus: there are both slow in focusing 😉

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On 1/18/2023 at 9:23 AM, oculaii said:

By the way, the Lumix focus very fast. 

I go with oculaii on this one. On both my SL2s and S1R auto focus is much faster when using the Lumix 50/1.4 Pro compared to my APO-SL 75 or 35 (the 75 is slower than the 35). Even the Lumix 70-200/f Pro and Lumix 24-105/4 zooms focus faster than Leicas APO-SLs (my not apply to the APO-SL 28mm, though, which I do not own). Thanks

[rtai]

 It’s just my opinion so don’t hate me.

I have been a Leica M user for over 25 years for the optics not for the electronics. It was an easy choice in the film days; buy the best Leica lens I could afford and spend the rest on the body because it’s nothing more than a dark box with a shutter. Buy an old M2 or Voigtlander R3 it takes the same pictures. Now it’s reversed. Spend $6000 to $8000 for the camera and $800 for a 3rd party lens. For those who say there’s no difference then more power to you and certainly more money in the bank. I do agree the native SL lenses are ridiculously large and heavy so personally I will stop with the 24/90 zoom and fill out the rest of the focal lengths with Leica M lenses I already own.

[SrMi]

I believe that the following L-mount non-Leica primes produce great results and are relatively small and light:

Sigma 20/2, 24/2, 35/2, 65/2, and Panasonic 50/1.8 and 85/1.8.

 

[Simone_DF]

14 hours ago, rtai said:

I have been a Leica M user for over 25 years for the optics not for the electronics. 

Many things have changed in the last 25 years, technologies and companies evolve, and the gap becomes smaller every year.

After all, if Leica think they can rebrand and sell the Sigma 24-70, why shouldn't I get an original Sigma prime?

[dem331]

15 hours ago, rtai said:

 It’s just my opinion so don’t hate me.

I have been a Leica M user for over 25 years for the optics not for the electronics. It was an easy choice in the film days; buy the best Leica lens I could afford and spend the rest on the body because it’s nothing more than a dark box with a shutter. Buy an old M2 or Voigtlander R3 it takes the same pictures. Now it’s reversed. Spend $6000 to $8000 for the camera and $800 for a 3rd party lens. For those who say there’s no difference then more power to you and certainly more money in the bank. I do agree the native SL lenses are ridiculously large and heavy so personally I will stop with the 24/90 zoom and fill out the rest of the focal lengths with Leica M lenses I already own.

😂😂😂 That’s what I thought. But now the SL35mm APO is here and the 90mm keeps banging on the door. 

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5 hours ago, dem331 said:

😂😂😂 That’s what I thought. But now the SL35mm APO is here and the 90mm keeps banging on the door. 

Here's the 90/2 SL just in case you're having any doubts: 

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8 hours ago, dem331 said:

😂😂😂 That’s what I thought. But now the SL35mm APO is here and the 90mm keeps banging on the door. 

When I finally decided to go digital there were many choices including medium format. I went with Leica M10M because it was comfortable to me as a long time M6 user but most importantly I already own the lenses from 21mm to 90mm purchased over 25 years. Then I decided I want a body for color and the SL2 was the logical choice because the sensor was designed for M lenses and it was cheaper than the M10R and finally I can get the 24-90 for vacations to national parks. One lens does it all. Yup the urge is there for the 90-280mm because I don’t have anything in that range. Not to knock 3rd party lenses and I hope I didn’t offend being a user of Voigtlander and Zeiss ZM glass myself but if I had intended to use a set of Sigma or lumix lenses I could have saved some pretty penny and bought the S1. Ahh choices!

Here is a shot I took a few days ago. A lady was crossing the street and I just took the shot by reflex. 24/90 at 40mm. This image was cropped to around 180mm showing only around a quarter of the frame. Aside from the crop I only hit auto in Lr. This is such a great lens and so natural. It doesn’t have that hard edged contrasty digital look. 

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Edited February 5, 2023 by rtai

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[Simone_DF]

43 minutes ago, rtai said:

the SL2 was the logical choice because the sensor was designed for M lenses

Well no, not really. With wide angles you won't get the same performance of a M camera, there are a few topics here on the forum on how the 21 SEM and other wides are more soft in the corners when shot on a SL2 vs a M10R.