Fotomiguel Posted October 16, 2007 Share #1 Posted October 16, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) For the last ten months, I’ve been using my M8 with a great pleasure. I’ve discovered a new world, looking through the Leica lenses. I love every one of them and I tread them as a jewel. For me, It’s been not easy to spend so much money in every lens and 4000 Eu in my camera. Every Leica purchase that I did, was so hard. Too much money and many months waiting and waiting till it arrived. I’m still waiting for a Filter. Some M8 problems had my breath frozen for some time, but finally were not so bad. At the end, the most important thing is how I enjoyed photography in the Leica world. My bag is extremely light. Four lenses and the M8 and I can walk hundred miles and my back is still right. I enjoy every excursion and overalls I enjoy the files. I love to crop my images, even when I was not so fortunate. What a files! I can feel the Leica lenses in them. I come from Nikon. And that stage was happy. I still conserve my Nikon equipment. Macro, action and tele photography are still my liking. I was thinking of purchase the new Nikon D300 and recover my initial investment. So I decided to find out how good are the D300 files. Ok... ….. Oh. Perhaps the files are unfocused. Perhaps the camera is new and they still don’t know how to use it. The crops seem to be blurred. Or…perhaps am I just comparing them with my Leica files???? Could be just a bad crop? Is the D300 a good option for Macro,action photography? This is a 100% crop from a quickt test of this website: Nikon D300: primeras muestras y prueba comparativa con la D200 Sorry, in spanish Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/35847-great-disappointment/?do=findComment&comment=377699'>More sharing options...
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carstenw Posted October 16, 2007 Share #2 Posted October 16, 2007 Was this taken on a tripod? The exposure time is 1/8s at f/8, with a 20mm lens. You should not shoot at less than 1/30s for reasonably sharp shots, and much faster, maybe 1/125s if you want to compare sharpness. Or use a tripod. Also, you might want to choose a better lens, since wide angle lenses are rarely the sharpest. Is this the kit lens? These lenses are known to be awful. Finally, these cameras have AA filters, so to compare fairly, you must then sharpen carefully afterwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmsr Posted October 16, 2007 Share #3 Posted October 16, 2007 Ditto what Carsten said. I read that review. (Thanks for the link.) In comparing the ISO shots of the pasta bowl, the D300 is a nice improvement over the D200. (However it is still not in the same league as the D3 shots that have been posted.) The sample you posted was shot only in JPEG, and it was done with the 18-200 lens. The lens is an interesting vacation style lens, but is not the type of lens to use in actual comparison to a Leica prime. Additionally, the crop that they took is such a small portion of the total picture I'm not surprised in the loss of detail. I own a D200 and am upgrading to the D300. If you really want to compare it to a Leica, it should be shot in RAW, processed (including sharpening), and use one of Nikons good primes or the Zeiss ZF glass. I have played with a not released 24-70/2.8 and like it quite a lot, for a zoom. My other lenses are the Zeiss (35/2.0, 50/1.4, 50/2.0 Macro, 85/1.4) and Nikon (100/2.8 VR Macro, 70-210/2.8 VR). I will be purchasing the 24-70/2.8 along with the D300. Try any Nikon with these lenses and you will see a world of difference when compared to the 18-200. Best, Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philinflash Posted October 16, 2007 Share #4 Posted October 16, 2007 ...This is a 100% crop from a quickt test of this It is hard to tell what is going on in this image: is it out of focus or is it camera movement blur? I think the former even though it is a longish exposure. As this is a crop, was there some portion of the captured image that was in focus? The last thing I would blame here is the equipment: no modern lens of Nikon's caliber should produce images of this poor quality if it is up to original specifications. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
egibaud Posted October 16, 2007 Share #5 Posted October 16, 2007 and??? Where does this forum says D300 ??? So please if you want to compare, at least post a picture of the same subject same angle same everything from an M8 and from a D300 otherwise I do not see the point And, regarding your title, Big disapointment!!!!!!!!!!! Do you think it is a disapointment to me that a D300 is not as good as you expected??? By the way, this is the fourth answer to your post, and over 600 visitors.... I think this misleading title just make us waste our time with a subject that has nothing to do here. Please why don't you post in a Nikon forum, I think this one is busy enough not to bother with other camera brand. Thanks, Eric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LichMD Posted October 16, 2007 Share #6 Posted October 16, 2007 and??? Where does this forum says D300 ??? So please if you want to compare, at least post a picture of the same subject same angle same everything from an M8 and from a D300 otherwise I do not see the point And, regarding your title, Big disapointment!!!!!!!!!!! Do you think it is a disapointment to me that a D300 is not as good as you expected??? By the way, this is the fourth answer to your post, and over 600 visitors.... I think this misleading title just make us waste our time with a subject that has nothing to do here. Please why don't you post in a Nikon forum, I think this one is busy enough not to bother with other camera brand. Thanks, Eric Eric, In FotoMiguel's defense he post quite a bit in the Photo forum, all M8 files. Not sure that posting this is appropriate here, but I'd cut him some slack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scjohn Posted October 17, 2007 Share #7 Posted October 17, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Actually, I would cut him more than a little slack. his inference is that the D300 can't compete with the M8. That claim would likely be widely mocked anywhere but here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 17, 2007 Share #8 Posted October 17, 2007 Funny idea to compare Leica's to much cheaper nikanopus stuff. Is it a way to persuade our wifes that we've made a good investment? If one wants to compare apples to apples i'd suggest to choose a D2X and the best Nikkor primes instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted October 17, 2007 Share #9 Posted October 17, 2007 I think the sample - and the thread - is ridiculous. Why would you go down to f8 on a wide-angle if you then have to use 1/8 second hand-held if you then wanted to publish as an example of image quality? The picture tells us nothing about the D300, or indeed the 18-200 which although not the greatest performing lens (and certainly not in the 17-35 and 70-200 VR league) is nevertheless a useful lens to have when travelling. How could it top-drawer be at the price? I expect the D300 - and know the 18-200 - is capable of much better image quality than this sample suggests, but I question the relevance of even mentioning it on a Leica M8 forum and the alarmist thread title is tabloid-tacky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotomiguel Posted October 17, 2007 Author Share #10 Posted October 17, 2007 Sorry to ofend all of you! I didn't think that It was so terrible! I'm just a M8 lover who looks for a drsl solution for macro and action photography. I think you have taken it too seriously. If the moderator want to erase this thread, for my no problem. Enjoy your forum! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrycioni Posted October 17, 2007 Share #11 Posted October 17, 2007 Last Sunday I was out for a bit of drive when I came across the local anti-poverty committee protesting a lack of affordable (free) housing in the face of the 2010 winter Olympics in Vancouver. They were in front of the (old) police station. I did not have the M8s with me (which is rare) but instead had a D2XS with the 18-200 Nikkor Zoom. Indeed I would much much prefer to have had the M8 in this circumstance more because of their unobtrusive agility than anything else. To compare these two camera formats and IQ is somewhat counter productive in my opinion. Surely when we start comparing $3000 to $5000 lenses to $600 zooms lens the comparisons are somewhat disingenuous, again my opinion, Here is the event.... should you wish to look at it. Caution it is Nikon not Leica. That said I am an avowed Leica shooter. Nikon images shot at 640ISO for the most part. All RAW. Faces Of Protest - Vancouver - a photoset on Flickr Best to all. Terry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted October 17, 2007 Share #12 Posted October 17, 2007 I have to say I find it interesting to discuss new digital cameras and technology in this forum above and beyond just the M8. But yes, the headlines should be worded accurately so one can easily make the choice to read or not read. And the original premise of this thread was dumb to begin with I agree. But please, lets not have a heart attack (or attack of exclamation points) about the occasional off topic post. Many of us actually need slr options to the M8 and who better to find out what works and what doesn't than from fellow M8 users. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted October 17, 2007 Share #13 Posted October 17, 2007 Terry, as I expected the D2XS and 18-200 has delivered the goods. Miguel, if you are looking for a DSLR for action and macro, a D300, the 70-200 VR and 105 VR macro would do very well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
egibaud Posted October 17, 2007 Share #14 Posted October 17, 2007 Sorry for my strong reaction, but when I read the title, I rushed into the thread and started reading and felt right pis*** off to see it had nothing to do with the M8 But as mentioned by others, yes it could be interesting to have some M8 vs XX compare, maybe a specific thread or dead simple a properly worded title. Sorry Miguel for such a strong reaction. Lo siento Hasta luego, Eric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotomiguel Posted October 17, 2007 Author Share #15 Posted October 17, 2007 Sometimes I don't realise how difficult is to express a ironic idea through internet! With my post, I just wanted to express how happy I am with my M8 and my fears of buying another camera and the possibility of being disappointed when I compare the files. I respect all of you and admire some of you. I enjoy photography and photography makes me happier. Anyway, let's forget it all and thank you for your answers! Cheers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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