Mateusz Posted April 14, 2023 Share #1401 Posted April 14, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 10 hours ago, malko said: I, too, spoke too soon. Had two freezes during a day trip last week. Both times immediately after removing the thumb grip and attaching the Visoflex 2. I didn’t really pay attention, but it’s possible that the camera was on when I attached the Viso - seems like it doesn’t like that. Today I also had a lockup during client session. It happened while i was shooting with the back screen off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jan1985 Posted April 14, 2023 Share #1402 Posted April 14, 2023 vor 10 Stunden schrieb malko: I, too, spoke too soon. Had two freezes during a day trip last week. Both times immediately after removing the thumb grip and attaching the Visoflex 2. I didn’t really pay attention, but it’s possible that the camera was on when I attached the Viso - seems like it doesn’t like that. Detaching the Viso while the M11 is on is something that can lead to damages on the boards. My M11 was 2 months at customer care in Wetzler because of a damaged insulator board. It seemed that caused by a short circuit during detachment of the Viso. Happily the Viso itself was ok. 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
malko Posted April 14, 2023 Share #1403 Posted April 14, 2023 vor 6 Stunden schrieb Jan1985: Detaching the Viso while the M11 is on is something that can lead to damages on the boards. My M11 was 2 months at customer care in Wetzler because of a damaged insulator board. It seemed that caused by a short circuit during detachment of the Viso. Happily the Viso itself was ok. Thanks for this - I’ll be paying extra close attention to always turn off the camera before attaching or removing the Visoflex 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted April 16, 2023 Share #1404 Posted April 16, 2023 (edited) Had the freeze on startup return today – but this time right after a battery change (right after a low battery warning). Two battery pull resets resulted in the same freeze. For the third, I removed the SD card and reinserted it, then the reset worked, and the camera is now operating normally. Will report back if it happens again. [Was using an uncoded Voigtlander M lens with a manual M profile selected – had been working normally before the battery change.] Edited April 16, 2023 by hdmesa Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qlan Posted April 16, 2023 Share #1405 Posted April 16, 2023 34 minutes ago, hdmesa said: Had the freeze on startup return today – but this time right after a battery change (right after a low battery warning). Two battery pull resets resulted in the same freeze. For the third, I removed the SD card and reinserted it, then the reset worked, and the camera is now operating normally. Will report back if it happens again. [Was using an uncoded Voigtlander M lens with a manual M profile selected – had been working normally before the battery change.] This might be a battery issue. There were reports of people on this forum having freezes when a "capricious" battery was inserted into the camera after a full charge. I had that issue with one of my first 2 M11. Then didn't happen with the others. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted April 16, 2023 Share #1406 Posted April 16, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Qlan said: This might be a battery issue. There were reports of people on this forum having freezes when a "capricious" battery was inserted into the camera after a full charge. I had that issue with one of my first 2 M11. Then didn't happen with the others. Thanks, I'm wondering the same thing. I'm going to mark this battery so I know which one it is out of my three to see if it happens with it again. Edited April 16, 2023 by hdmesa Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted April 17, 2023 Share #1407 Posted April 17, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 28 minutes ago, Somchai said: Would you consider a 5th one? It’s likely a firmware fix that needs to happen at this point. Leica is working on it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qlan Posted April 17, 2023 Share #1408 Posted April 17, 2023 Btw, it's not that the first 3 M11 you got are faulty, but instead it's the firmware pre-1.6.1 that caused a lot of freezes on startup. It's possible 1.6.1 fixed them (except the Uncoded case), so the first 3 M11 (and my first 2) would work too after 1.6.1. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted April 17, 2023 Share #1409 Posted April 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Qlan said: Btw, it's not that the first 3 M11 you got are faulty, but instead it's the firmware pre-1.6.1 that caused a lot of freezes on startup. It's possible 1.6.1 fixed them (except the Uncoded case), so the first 3 M11 (and my first 2) would work too after 1.6.1. My first one was a vertically misaligned rangefinder. 1.6.1 has not completely stopped the freezes – but it has reduced it to only freezing after a battery swap when the power level has gone down into the red. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qlan Posted April 17, 2023 Share #1410 Posted April 17, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, hdmesa said: My first one was a vertically misaligned rangefinder. 1.6.1 has not completely stopped the freezes – but it has reduced it to only freezing after a battery swap when the power level has gone down into the red. Ok, so apart from your first M11, it's likely (IMO) that there's no hardware issue (in the body, your new battery might be faulty). It's all software bugs. So exchanging bodies was probably not what solved your issues. Same with me, I think my first 2 M11s have no hardware issues, if our hypothesis on freezes and 1.6.1 is correct. This was in response to your quote: "Took me four M11s to get one that worked without freezing" Edited April 17, 2023 by Qlan Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted April 17, 2023 Share #1411 Posted April 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Qlan said: Ok, so apart from your first M11, it's likely (IMO) that there's no hardware issue (in the body, your new battery might be faulty). It's all software bugs. So exchanging bodies was probably not what solved your issues. Same with me, I think my first 2 M11s have no hardware issues, if our hypothesis on freezes and 1.6.1 is correct. This was in response to your quote: "Took me four M11s to get one that worked without freezing" It could be my M11 #2 and #3 were like my current one – or it could be they would have kept freezing under the old firmware leading to bricking. Bricking is an unlikely outcome, but that was my concern at the time. But I understand your point. I could have kept the 2nd M11 and possibly been in the same situation I'm in now with my 4th M11. But I also would have been incredibly irritated to have been trying to use the camera all this time since the freezes on startup were fairly regular. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEyesHaveIt Posted April 18, 2023 Share #1412 Posted April 18, 2023 This happened to me today for the first time in a long time (I’m running the latest firmware). Had to pop the battery and SD card out twice before it booted up properly. Scared me for a second as I have a vacation coming up! Strange to see it crop up again since generally my M11 has been flawless (knock on wood). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henners Posted April 19, 2023 Share #1413 Posted April 19, 2023 Happened to me the other day, locked up and I had to pop the battery. No big deal as luckily it wasn't an important moment but still worrying that it occurs and hasn't been ironed out fully yet. Fingers crossed for the next firmware update. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qlan Posted April 19, 2023 Share #1414 Posted April 19, 2023 Yeah people are yelling victory too soon as always... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted April 19, 2023 Share #1415 Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Qlan said: Yeah people are yelling victory too soon as always... LOL, me first among them 🤐 Freezes from "Uncoded" were seemingly fixed for me by using a manual M profile with my Voigtlander lenses under 1.6.1 – about 10 days without a freeze Two days ago, it froze after a battery change while using a Voigtlander lens Today it froze while using the same battery with a Leica 6-bit coded lens – suspect a bad battery I've switched to another battery. If the freezing stops, I'm going to see about getting a replacement for the bad battery. If the freezes continue, then all bets are off again. If that happens, I will have to either patiently wait for a firmware update or just return it and then might as well wait for the M11-P or get an M11M. Edited April 19, 2023 by hdmesa Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted April 20, 2023 Share #1416 Posted April 20, 2023 The M11 M has basically the same firmware as the M11. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted April 20, 2023 Share #1417 Posted April 20, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, elmars said: The M11 M has basically the same firmware as the M11. But perhaps not the exact same electronics. Edited April 20, 2023 by hdmesa Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted April 21, 2023 Share #1418 Posted April 21, 2023 It is the same camera, electronics included. It only has a bigger buffer and a sensor without Bayer pattern. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted April 21, 2023 Share #1419 Posted April 21, 2023 16 hours ago, elmars said: It is the same camera, electronics included. It only has a bigger buffer and a sensor without Bayer pattern. They could have updated any of the internal electronic components including the main board. But hey, we'll know for sure it's the same if people start reporting freezes with the M11M. Current M11 firmware has not eliminated them for all of us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petrichor Posted April 22, 2023 Share #1420 Posted April 22, 2023 Have owned and enjoyed the M11 for over 12 months now. Picked up my New Summilux (2023) 50mm f1.4 on Thursday and had a number of freezes since. By freeze I mean simply no response to shutter button. Turn off, remove battery, turn on. Works usually although not always. A few times I reset the camera because nothing seemed to work. Then all seems fine. Frustrating and clear that some firmware tweaks are required. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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