rainnn Posted December 2, 2022 Share #1 Posted December 2, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) Been looking through alot of Elmar's online and this one looks the most promising until I see the font on the "l" of Elmar. Is this normal for this variant of Elmar? If everything goes will this will be my first leica lens! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/352158-real-or-fake-elmar-weird-font-on-l-of-elmar/?do=findComment&comment=4585564'>More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 2, 2022 Posted December 2, 2022 Hi rainnn, Take a look here real or fake Elmar? weird font on "l" of Elmar. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jerzy Posted December 2, 2022 Share #2 Posted December 2, 2022 i do not see anythig unusual, looks fine. Cannot read serial number but it shall be in a range of 6xx xxx Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/352158-real-or-fake-elmar-weird-font-on-l-of-elmar/?do=findComment&comment=4585794'>More sharing options...
250swb Posted December 2, 2022 Share #3 Posted December 2, 2022 If the font of the 'L' in Elmar makes it a fake then so is mine, but in terms of the font it's the same design as the 'T' in Leitz isn't it? What is your particular concern that you've spotted? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegelli Posted December 2, 2022 Share #4 Posted December 2, 2022 (edited) The l in mine is straight, without the little bend at the bottom: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! This lens was bought new by my father in 1949 and it got a new front rim by Odin (authorised Leica repair shop in Arnhem/Netherlands) somewhere in the early 1970's when the original was bent due to a fall. I don't have any pictures from before the fall with the old rim so don't know if there were any differences between the lettering of that one and this new rim. I do remember the old rim was more "glossy" (more like the lens base) than this replacement that was mounted later and has a more matte finish. Edited December 2, 2022 by pegelli 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! This lens was bought new by my father in 1949 and it got a new front rim by Odin (authorised Leica repair shop in Arnhem/Netherlands) somewhere in the early 1970's when the original was bent due to a fall. I don't have any pictures from before the fall with the old rim so don't know if there were any differences between the lettering of that one and this new rim. I do remember the old rim was more "glossy" (more like the lens base) than this replacement that was mounted later and has a more matte finish. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/352158-real-or-fake-elmar-weird-font-on-l-of-elmar/?do=findComment&comment=4585814'>More sharing options...
willeica Posted December 2, 2022 Share #5 Posted December 2, 2022 6 hours ago, rainnn said: Been looking through alot of Elmar's online and this one looks the most promising until I see the font on the "l" of Elmar. Is this normal for this variant of Elmar? If everything goes will this will be my first leica lens! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The lens looks fine to me. I have a large number of these. There were many variations of the 50mm/5cm Elmar during its long life, at least 25, possibly more. William 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted December 2, 2022 Share #6 Posted December 2, 2022 vor 1 Stunde schrieb Al Brown: Looks like a pristine genuine Elmar. I second that. Go ahead and buy it, it is a fine lens. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandro Posted December 2, 2022 Share #7 Posted December 2, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) As William said, there are many variations of this type of Elmar, including the form of the letters. The t in the Leitz name for instance can be straight vertical, or with a little bend at the bottom, which has variations in itself as well. Lex 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nf3996 Posted December 2, 2022 Share #8 Posted December 2, 2022 Are fake 5cm Elmars more common with metre distance scales? (I would think so given that the source lenses are FSU with distances in metres.) Are there fake 5cm Elmars with distances in feet also out there? Alan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainnn Posted December 2, 2022 Author Share #9 Posted December 2, 2022 Thanks everyone for clearing my doubts, was worried its one of those hand painted ones. I will come back with SN to further verify it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted December 2, 2022 Share #10 Posted December 2, 2022 1 hour ago, nf3996 said: Are fake 5cm Elmars more common with metre distance scales? (I would think so given that the source lenses are FSU with distances in metres.) Are there fake 5cm Elmars with distances in feet also out there? Alan From the ones I've seen they are so obviously fake all over you don't have to worry about the distance scale. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted December 2, 2022 Share #11 Posted December 2, 2022 (edited) Would it be a fake, so well made that it wouldn't be worth to embark in such a finely made job 😁 I have just checked an item depicted by Lager, probably in the same range (it's a 691.xxx) and it has the "l" with small bend, so as a later item (closure to f22). .. the "l" looks straight in the Red Scale ones, included mine Edited December 2, 2022 by luigi bertolotti 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
qqphot Posted December 7, 2022 Share #12 Posted December 7, 2022 I think that the majority of the fake ones (that I've seen anyway) are based on the Industar or Fed lenses which can if nothing else be distinguished because their iris blades are much "deeper" in the body of the lens than those of a real Elmar, whose iris is quite close to the front. Just that is enough to rule out most of the junk copies on ebay. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerzy Posted December 7, 2022 Share #13 Posted December 7, 2022 vor 3 Stunden schrieb qqphot: their iris blades are much "deeper" in the body yes, this is correct. Both Industar and FED have blades behind 2nd element and it is visible "deeper" than with Elmar, behind 1st element. But if you have photos only than very often they are with fully opened aperture, you do not see position of the blades. In such case other details mey be helpful, like engravings on distance scale and DOF, focus tab and fakes from Industar have full circular aperture setting ring, FED have tab like Elmars 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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