Herr Barnack Posted November 19, 2022 Author Share #21 Posted November 19, 2022 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 34 minutes ago, iRandom said: Two focal lengths won't make everyone happy. It'll just make them start asking for a third. 😆 Leica will have to offer a Q camera in every focal length from 10mm to 200mm - it's the only way to be sure everyone is happy. A Q with a 200mm f/1.7 Summilux with macro capability - that would be an uh, "interesting" camera... 😳 Edited November 19, 2022 by Herr Barnack 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Le Chef Posted November 19, 2022 Share #22 Posted November 19, 2022 Because design and construction of the Q/Q2 is so different the task of adding lenses of different lengths is not easy. The shutter is built into the lens and the lens is built into the camera - there’s no mount - and the sensor position is optimized for that setup. To add 35 or 50 or 75 would require re-engineering the camera from the ground up. And that’s before you add the complexities of OIS. So there’s the added cost of R&D and that requires payback, so the new variants would cost more. In addition you would lose the compactness of the camera if you wanted the lenses to be fast around 1.4 to 1.8 and still autofocus. And finally there’s the added complexity of production - more parts to produce and store, and for dealers more SKU’s that requires more capital. The easier and cheaper solution is to bump the sensor up to 60MP and let people learn how to crop. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted November 19, 2022 Author Share #23 Posted November 19, 2022 (edited) Quote ...The easier and cheaper solution is to bump the sensor up to 60MP and let people learn how to crop. That, or let people learn how to take a step or two forward before pressing the shutter release. Robert Capa: "If your pictures aren't good enough, you're not close enough." Edited November 19, 2022 by Herr Barnack 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genoweffa Posted November 19, 2022 Share #24 Posted November 19, 2022 (edited) I am new here...so, before I dive deeper.. Are there lots of threads on this forum with no real substance/ artificially created issues by people who like to listen to themselves/ or rhetorical questions? This is very common on audio forums... Edited November 19, 2022 by Genoweffa 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted November 19, 2022 Share #25 Posted November 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, Herr Barnack said: That, or let people learn how to take a step or two forward before pressing the shutter release. Robert Capa: "If your pictures aren't good enough, you're not close enough." If Leica really managed to sell 75000 copies, most people didn’t learn this. Very rare I see a great, non landscape image from the Q, not to mention great or good portraits. Staley mastered it, and the rest of the world accepted the fact that distortion is normal as they photograph with an (i)phone. and anyone saying cropping is just the same as having several FL’s doesn’t really know about photography. 28 isn’t 35 isn’t 50. Getting closer might work, but not always. Documentary is not the only genre which exist. I love the concept of the Q, but dislike 28mm for every day usage, sth the Q shines in. If the Q3 is again 28mm, I won’t buy it, and I am not sure how many 28mm shooters would upgrade as the Q2 is really perfect already for them. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted November 19, 2022 Share #26 Posted November 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Genoweffa said: I am new here...so, before I dive deeper.. Are there lots of threads on this forum with no real substance/ artificially created issues by people who like to listen to themselves/ or rhetorical questions? This is very common on audio forums... Yes, many, so you need to dive to find the pearls in this forum… 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeLD Posted November 19, 2022 Share #27 Posted November 19, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 16 hours ago, Herr Barnack said: We have a significant number of Leica photographers who bemoan the fact that the Q camera users are "stuck" with a 28mm lens. this video showcases the powerful and compelling capability of the Q camera's 28mm f/1.7 Summilux lens. I am currently shooting a Q2 and it is my end game unless the Q3 has a few features I believe I'd love better: 60mp sensor, keep the 28mm with the crop modes but add perhaps a 90mm crop mode as well. Keep the shutter button post preview when shooting crop mode. Add what is effectively an extender tube using the macro extender to offer a slightly longer focal length when needed so I can better preview my crop mode shots before clicking the shutter button. This comes from my experience with my Sigma FP L which has the 60mp sensor and the crop mode features but is an interchangeable L-Mount camera. Why switch to the 47mp Q2? I could not find a lens nor combination of lenses that gave me the image characteristics of the 28mm on the Q2. The 28mm Q2 allows me to capture the closest images to what I see with my eyes that I have found in my over 50 years of photography. As an ardent fan of Henri Cartier Bresson, the Q2 gives me the best ability to capture the "Decisive Moment". Thanks for listening. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darylgo Posted November 19, 2022 Share #28 Posted November 19, 2022 36 minutes ago, Herr Barnack said: JMHO but clutter in the 28mm images you so often see is a result either of inexperience or laziness on the photographer's part. If there is unwanted clutter in the background move closer to your subject matter. If there are physical restraints that keep you from moving closer, crop out the clutter in post processing. Sometimes neither works - and we just have to accept the fact that some images are going to have some clutter in them in spite of our best efforts. Inexperience and "everything in the picture" inexperience. I remember the days of transparencies, we could put them up on a huge screen or wall, much bigger than the largest computer (screens) and most printers, those Kodachromes looked absolutely stunning and wide angle images with excess information looked great also. @Leica AG You've taken chances before, a 45-50mm Q is not that radical, my guess....as an enthusiast and nothing more, it will outsell the 28mm (OMG- he said what?) and be the introduction to Leica that will create more demand for M and SL, perhaps there will be 2Q people, one of each focal length. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darylgo Posted November 19, 2022 Share #29 Posted November 19, 2022 11 minutes ago, Genoweffa said: I am new here... Are there lots of threads on this forum with no real substance/ artificially created issues by people who like to listen to themselves/ or rhetorical questions? This is very common on audio forums... What could be better fun? Have a seat and join us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted November 19, 2022 Share #30 Posted November 19, 2022 Q with a 35-70 f4 lens? That's probably the most realistic option but would people be happy with it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted November 19, 2022 Share #31 Posted November 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Genoweffa said: I am new here...so, before I dive deeper.. Are there lots of threads on this forum with no real substance/ artificially created issues by people who like to listen to themselves/ or rhetorical questions? This is very common on audio forums... Yes. There are also quite a number of posts by new forum members starting with a passive-aggressive tone. After a while they learn to chill. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
northtosouth Posted November 19, 2022 Share #32 Posted November 19, 2022 ok. . .how about a 35 f1.4 with a built-in doubler? Actually I'm perfectly happy with the Q2 monochrom, its a work of art functionally and ergonomically. Its the "B cam" that usually ends up being the "A cam". 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genoweffa Posted November 19, 2022 Share #33 Posted November 19, 2022 (edited) . Edited November 19, 2022 by Genoweffa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genoweffa Posted November 19, 2022 Share #34 Posted November 19, 2022 2 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said: Yes. There are also quite a number of posts by new forum members starting with a passive-aggressive tone. After a while they learn to chill. Thanks for the warm welcome. 'they learn to chill'...or maybe never come back? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeLD Posted November 19, 2022 Share #35 Posted November 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Genoweffa said: Thanks for the warm welcome. 'they learn to chill'...or maybe never come back? Please stay, some forget their manners, this should be a forum not a debate. We all gain by hearing each other's good ideas. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genoweffa Posted November 19, 2022 Share #36 Posted November 19, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Al Brown said: Yes, and you will see the full spectrum of baffling and perplexing characters you will learn to love and/or hate. What is the average age of members on audio forums? I guess depends... There is 'listen to jazz' thread where I started to post E.S.T., Tingvall, Jarrett, Stanko etc... and implied that my tunes are to bring down the average age of jazz poster to about 85 from 112...I dont think it worked Edited November 19, 2022 by Genoweffa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cboy Posted November 19, 2022 Share #37 Posted November 19, 2022 To take advantage of the 60mp that the Q3 will most likely have wouldn't it better to have a fixed telephoto and digital crop to 50/35. In that way you'll have the compression and oof bokeh character alot like in characterising a lens. With the 28mm I find to get compelling intimate photos, especially in street, one needs to get in their face like less than three feet. YMMV Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chef Posted November 20, 2022 Share #38 Posted November 20, 2022 No need for a fixed crop: you frame the shot and crop in post. Then you have the flexibility to get the best out of the shot and not be constrained by what you’re forced to have. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted November 20, 2022 Author Share #39 Posted November 20, 2022 10 hours ago, Olaf_ZG said: If Leica really managed to sell 75000 copies, most people didn’t learn this. Very rare I see a great, non landscape image from the Q, not to mention great or good portraits. Staley mastered it, and the rest of the world accepted the fact that distortion is normal as they photograph with an (i)phone. and anyone saying cropping is just the same as having several FL’s doesn’t really know about photography. 28 isn’t 35 isn’t 50. Getting closer might work, but not always. Documentary is not the only genre which exist. I love the concept of the Q, but dislike 28mm for every day usage, sth the Q shines in. If the Q3 is again 28mm, I won’t buy it, and I am not sure how many 28mm shooters would upgrade as the Q2 is really perfect already for them. I never said "cropping is just the same as having several FL’s." JMHO, but cropping is an option and not a crutch to be leaned on. Filling the frame with the subject matter you want and the composition you want before making the exposure is infinitely preferable to cropping. As for "28 isn’t 35 isn’t 50," that is obvious to the point of being a given. The Q2 is a good one camera one lens all-around tool. For those who need or want longer focal length options, the M system is likely a better choice. Or perhaps the SL system. High quality imagery can be created with just one focal length, though. Jacob Aue Sobol did it with an M246 and a 50/2 APO. Peter Turnley does it with an M camera and a 35mm Summilux. Alan Schaller did it - at least early on - with an M camera and a 24mm lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted November 20, 2022 Share #40 Posted November 20, 2022 (edited) Leica Q2 is my go to street photography camera and is great for environmental portraits at 28 and 35mm. You can use the 50 mm crop mode and still get a fairly decent pixel count for printing. 75mm crop is okay for internet use. if you want a high mp count and close up portraits at 28mm then it is less than ideal as you will get horrible distortion to faces and arms (oversized noses and arms and hands in the foreground). Consequently I will often carry my Sony A1 along with the Sony zeiss 55mm/f1.8 lens or Sony FE85/1.8 if I want to do portraits of people Edited November 20, 2022 by viramati 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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