Confused? I am.

[Matlock]

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1 hour ago, OThomas said:

 Someone’s changed their mind …

Just saying 😂🤣😂🤣

As I have said before I will remain a proud member. However I find it rather sad that an internationally recognised logo (LHSA) has been replaced by a rather bland LSI. I belong to a couple of clubs/organisations that have retained their old branding but have supplemented it with a modern title. To give examples: IAC (Institute of Amateur Cinematographers) uses       " IAC The Film & Video Institute". On a rather different tack I am a member of ASLEF which stands for Associated Society of Locomotive Engineers & Fireman. A rather archaic title as in the UK we no longer refer to drivers as Engineers and we no longer employ Firemen. ASLEF still uses the logo that has been used for over 100 years but portrays itself as "ASLEF The Train Drivers' Union".

Obviously everyone will have a different take on this, but I believe that "LHSA, Leica Society International" would have been the better option.

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[willeica]

2 hours ago, OThomas said:

Just saying 😂🤣😂🤣

Good to see that we are being held accountable. I think there is a Biblical quote which fits this 😇. I thought it might be the one about serving God and Mammon or, perhaps, the one about the value of earthly things. The end point being that if the objective is good you can quote what you want. For the sake of balance I am linking both original Monty Python - Life of Brian pieces for anyone who might be confused 😀.

 

 

William 

[willeica]

1 hour ago, Matlock said:

As I have said before I will remain a proud member. However I find it rather sad that an internationally recognised logo (LHSA) has been replaced by a rather bland LSI. I belong to a couple of clubs/organisations that have retained their old branding but have supplemented it with a modern title. To give examples: IAC (Institute of Amateur Cinematographers) uses       " IAC The Film & Video Institute". On a rather different tack I am a member of ASLEF which stands for Associated Society of Locomotive Engineers & Fireman. A rather archaic title as in the UK we no longer refer to drivers as Engineers and we no longer employ Firemen. ASLEF still uses the logo that has been used for over 100 years but portrays itself as "ASLEF The Train Drivers' Union".

Obviously everyone will have a different take on this, but I believe that "LHSA, Leica Society International" would have been the better option.

I am sure that we will be still known as LHSA for some years to come. Britain is the home of groups with archaic sounding titles such as https://www.sal.org.uk which has a Royal Charter from 1751. Then there is this  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wheeltappers_and_Shunters_Social_Club which is purely fictional. The US seems to have much less attachment to such notions. In Ireland if we want to make something appear to be ancient and revered we just use its original title in Irish which usually settles all arguments. Sometimes having two languages has its uses.

William 

[Matlock]

32 minutes ago, willeica said:

I am sure that we will be still known as LHSA for some years to come. Britain is the home of groups with archaic sounding titles such as https://www.sal.org.uk which has a Royal Charter from 1751. Then there is this  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wheeltappers_and_Shunters_Social_Club which is purely fictional. The US seems to have much less attachment to such notions. In Ireland if we want to make something appear to be ancient and revered we just use its original title in Irish which usually settles all arguments. Sometimes having two languages has its uses.

William 

An example of a title in Irish reminds me of the time I took a group of Iarnród Éireann managers for a trip in rural Suffolk to examine a type of signalling that we had introduced on the East Suffolk Line. Ended up in a local pub in Saxmundham and I don't remember much about the rest of the day. Never learnt Irish but later spent my honeymoon in Dublin.

Peter

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@Matlock hope you don’t think I was referring to you with my comment. I quoted you for context of the other quotes.😁

[ianman]

1 hour ago, willeica said:

The end point being that if the objective is good you can quote what you want. For the sake of balance I am linking both original Monty Python - Life of Brian pieces for anyone who might be confused 😀.

Now I really am confused. It’s ok for you to post this sort of thing but if others do it it’s somehow mocking people even though it was evidently posted as lighthearted humour?

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1 minute ago, ianman said:

Now I really am confused. It’s ok for you to post this sort of thing but if others do it it’s somehow mocking people even though it was evidently posted as lighthearted humour?

Think my sarcasm was lost somewhere 🤔

[Matlock]

7 minutes ago, OThomas said:

@Matlock hope you don’t think I was referring to you with my comment. I quoted you for context of the other quotes.😁

No, I fully understand that.

[ianman]

6 minutes ago, Matlock said:

No, I fully understand that.

Me too

[willeica]

13 minutes ago, OThomas said:

Think my sarcasm was lost somewhere 🤔

No sarcasm was detected. 

William 

[roydonian]

2 hours ago, Matlock said:

Obviously everyone will have a different take on this, but I believe that "LHSA, Leica Society International" would have been the better option.

It would have preserved a link to the long-established older title, and been less likely to be confused with the title of the UK society.

(Working as I do and a writer and journalist, I have a  folder on my hard disk for the text files of articles I'm working on. But when I tried to rename the 'LHSA' subfolder as 'Leica Society', my operating system declined to do so, pointing out that I already had a folder with that second name.  I'd forgotten having created that folder in order to start on an article for the UK magazine. One thing I've learned as a result of using computers for the last 60 years is that having two easily-confused commands or storage destinations will ineviably result in problems.)

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, willeica said:

No sarcasm was detected. 

William 

Must be losing my touch 😳

[willeica]

2 hours ago, OThomas said:

Must be losing my touch 😳

Maybe it was me🙃

William 

[willeica]

5 hours ago, roydonian said:

It would have preserved a link to the long-established older title, and been less likely to be confused with the title of the UK society.

(Working as I do and a writer and journalist, I have a  folder on my hard disk for the text files of articles I'm working on. But when I tried to rename the 'LHSA' subfolder as 'Leica Society', my operating system declined to do so, pointing out that I already had a folder with that second name.  I'd forgotten having created that folder in order to start on an article for the UK magazine. One thing I've learned as a result of using computers for the last 60 years is that having two easily-confused commands or storage destinations will ineviably result in problems.)

 

 

 

 

I write articles for both societies without any trouble. I also write pieces for the PCCGB and other organisations and websites (Macfilos being an example). Sometimes the same material gets recycled or repurposed, particularly the Zoom sessions which often undergo changes for different audiences. I don't expect the society name change to cause any issue for me. You can, of course, continue to use the old title on your computer if you wish.  However, initials are also a convenient way of identifying which article goes where.

I can assure you that there was no intention to cause confusion with The Leica Society. I am a proud member of both societies and I would have objected vigorously if I saw any possibility of such confusion.

William 

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On 11/11/2022 at 8:52 AM, roydonian said:

It would have preserved a link to the long-established older title, and been less likely to be confused with the title of the UK society.

(Working as I do and a writer and journalist, I have a  folder on my hard disk for the text files of articles I'm working on. But when I tried to rename the 'LHSA' subfolder as 'Leica Society', my operating system declined to do so, pointing out that I already had a folder with that second name.  I'd forgotten having created that folder in order to start on an article for the UK magazine. One thing I've learned as a result of using computers for the last 60 years is that having two easily-confused commands or storage destinations will ineviably result in problems.)

 

 

 

 

My suggestion for your computer organization is to use the acronym "LSI" for the future articles that refer to Leica Society International. Thank you for being a member.

[roydonian]

I have been using computers for word processing for more than 40 years, so am fully conversant with the conventions for naming files and folders. The point I was trying to make was that if my 80 year old brain could get briefly confused by the similarity between the two names, other people may have the same problem.

[pedaes]

28 minutes ago, roydonian said:

I have been using computers for word processing for more than 40 years, so am fully conversant with the conventions for naming files and folders. The point I was trying to make was that if my 80 year old brain could get briefly confused by the similarity between the two names, other people may have the same problem.

This is getting silly. If you want to continue to call the LSI 'LHSA' in your files, or whatever name you use, that is absolutely fine.

This non-problem will apply to a handful of members at most. I might even leave my file as LHSA.

Edited November 13, 2022 by pedaes

[roydonian]

The only thing that's silly is this old man's brain. When I wanted to use some double cream this morning I absent-mindedly opened the dishwasher instead of the refrigerator! But I'm still working as a journalist, so would not deliberately refer in my text to any organisation by its former name. But when two organisations have very similar names, there is an obvious risk of error - as my attempt at folder-renaming demonstrated.

 

Irrelevant digression on the subject of file naming follows:

Some 50 years ago I was learning to program a new (to-me) model of mainframe computer. Filenames could be only four characters in length, and the get the file to run, you typed a hash mark followed by the filename.

"OK", said the instructor, "Every pupil I've taught has given a cute name to his or her first program. But I'm stumped - why is your program called EESH?"

When I asked him what had to be typed to get it to run, he gave the sort of loud groan one reserves as a response for bad puns, then offered my a job on his programming team.

 

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[ianman]

1 hour ago, roydonian said:

Some 50 years ago I was learning to program a new (to-me) model of mainframe computer. Filenames could be only four characters in length, and the get the file to run, you typed a hash mark followed by the filename.

"OK", said the instructor, "Every pupil I've taught has given a cute name to his or her first program. But I'm stumped - why is your program called EESH?"

When I asked him what had to be typed to get it to run, he gave the sort of loud groan one reserves as a response for bad puns, then offered my a job on his programming team.

Indeed you’re showing your age there… nowadays the program would be called TAGG

[willeica]

7 hours ago, roydonian said:

 

"OK", said the instructor, "Every pupil I've taught has given a cute name to his or her first program. But I'm stumped - why is your program called EESH?"

When I asked him what had to be typed to get it to run, he gave the sort of loud groan one reserves as a response for bad puns, then offered my a job on his programming team.

 

I have a dim memory going back around 50 years to when as a systems analyst I was being told by a programmer why our program had gone into an uncontrollable loop. He simply said that the program had suffered an 'ABEND' .

That is a term that is stuck in my head ever since to describe situations which have gone into an inescapable loop. Sometimes discussions on this forum go into something resembling an ABEND.

William