How many will get a M6

[Mikep996]

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35 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

£3750 for export, without tax.

Definitely a good deal!!!

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[Huss]

18 minutes ago, andrew01 said:

If you do this, please send an email of thanks to our former PM, who is now known as ‘The Lettuce’ because a lettuce has a longer shelf life.  The Lettuce tanked the British economy within days of starting the job, thereby causing the pound to crash to all-time lows against USD.

Send your email of thanks here:

elizabeth.truss.mp@parliament.uk

Done and done.  She is also on my Christmas card list.  Interestingly I tried to buy a “Trust in Truss” t shirt on the conservative party website for some reason they have been removed.

[Huss]

17 minutes ago, Mikep996 said:

Definitely a good deal!!!

You will make it so much easier on yourself by mail ordering it from a Leica dealer in the UK, than tryinG to buy one there and exporting it.  If you do the latter, you will have to deal with all the VAT refund paperwork which is pain.  If you buy via mailorder, all that is already taken care of.  Plus you can lock down the decent exchange rate now, before the new PM takes over and strengthens the pound!

[Mikep996]

Good advice; thanks!

[hdmesa]

1 hour ago, Al Brown said:

This sounds like a load of bulls*it - if one is "working to keep up with rising demand for new film cameras", one would definitely churn out more MPs and M-As because last time I checked the former in black paint is on back order almost everywhere and comes to the stores perhaps once every month (one piece) - IF it does. So this is DEFINITELY NOT any "keeping up", it is purely collecting money from the M6 trend explosion of the past few years. Good for Leica - for sure - but please Leica Marketing Dept., stop with these tall tales and bedtime stories.

What it sounds like is irrelevant. Per Jono: the suppliers for MP/M-A parts were flakey and some have even gone out of business. The new M6 has been designed to use new parts from new suppliers so they will be able to ramp up production to a higher level than the MP/M-A. We'll know soon enough, but sounds like to me that the MP/M-A will continue to be produced at the same pace, but the M6 will be available in greater numbers.

[pippy]

57 minutes ago, Huss said:

...I tried to buy a “Trust in Truss” t shirt on the conservative party website for some reason they have been removed.

It has been replaced by a "Truss in Truss" T-Shirt. I have heard that it is proving to be very popular with voters regardless of their political persuasions.

Philip.

[Anbaric]

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1 hour ago, hdmesa said:

It can still be all-new internals and still be an M6. Why wouldn't they make improvements where needed to all parts of the camera as they went? I don't see the contradiction. Take for example the photo of the new M6 pressure plate I posted in a few threads – the screws are recessed now. The old M6 pressure plate had no screws. The MP pressure plate has exposed screws. Did they continue that kind of thoughtful redesign of the parts as they went? Why wouldn't they? Could they still be backward compatible with the old M6? Absolutely. So the new M6 can be new but its parts still be backward compatible with the old M6. Some of the parts may also be compatible with the MP, such as that pressure plate. Etc.

Other companies do this too. If you open up an early NIkon FE or FM and a late one, the mechanisms are quite significantly different, and the FM also had some notable external changes during its production. But Nikon didn't change the names; normally this sort of thing is only of interest to repair technicians.

[earleygallery]

18 minutes ago, hdmesa said:

What it sounds like is irrelevant. Per Jono: the suppliers for MP/M-A parts were flakey and some have even gone out of business. The new M6 has been designed to use new parts from new suppliers so they will be able to ramp up production to a higher level than the MP/M-A. We'll know soon enough, but sounds like to me that the MP/M-A will continue to be produced at the same pace, but the M6 will be available in greater numbers.

But Leica aren't discontinuing the MP or M-A so where are they getting the parts from? If they have designed 'new' parts for the M6 they won't be able to use those unless they are secretly making all new MP and M-A models as well.

[BradS]

16 hours ago, leica-curious said:

For those planning to purchase the new M6, why are you selecting it over the MP beside the lower price?

For me, it's mostly about the ergonomics.   I prefer the M6 advance lever and rewind crank. The fact that the new M6 is slightly less expensive than the old MP is just a nice bonus. I also like the fact that the new M6 incorporates new parts which, Leica has said will alleviate supply chain related pain they feel with the MP and M-A.

[hdmesa]

2 hours ago, earleygallery said:

But Leica aren't discontinuing the MP or M-A so where are they getting the parts from? If they have designed 'new' parts for the M6 they won't be able to use those unless they are secretly making all new MP and M-A models as well.

I wouldn't be the right person to ask, but it doesn't have to make sense to you to be true. Lots of things that Leica does don't make sense to us.

My guess would be MP/M-A mechanical parts are still being sourced from the slow/flakey sources, so production of those models will continue at the same slow trickle. If there are vendors making parts for the MP/M-A that have gone out of business as was reported, then they simply get a new vendor for those parts.

[pgh]

Nope. Because drum scanning is basically obsolete save for a few specialty labs that keep old computers alive for the specific task - and color printing is just as obsolete. 

Since people like to use so many rich car guy analogies here this is like buying a Lambo to drive on residential roads with one track in some big cities for a hefty fee that are highly inconvenient for most.

If I were a dedicated b/w film shooter I could see the appeal. But when you're stuck with today's consumer scanner options for color neg, nah. I'll happily never touch an epson or coolscan again. 

[hdmesa]

2 hours ago, Al Brown said:

...M6 is not 95% new parts lol, maybe 10%...

I'm sticking with what Jono was told. We'll see after a tear-down is posted online.

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Question: Did they say whether the new parts of the M6 reissue are only electronic, or do they include mechanical parts?

Jono's answer: They include mechanical parts - "basically an entirely new body" was what I was told.

 

[lmans]

7 hours ago, oldwino said:

In six-eight months time there will be a bunch of these on the used market, when many find out that a. film isn’t cheap, and b. film has terrible resolution and “noise”. 

True...something to think about. It isn't like I need one right away as I have an older M6...so good point, jim

[MattiasAndersson]

On 10/23/2022 at 8:53 PM, Al Brown said:

No worries. 30 years ago, the Bavarians (unlike Leica) had only the M3.

And the M8, just sold mine… the Leica.

 

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[Mikep996]

"But Leica aren't discontinuing the MP or M-A "

I wonder if it will remain that way.   I would have expected the MP to be dropped with the new M6's debut but Leica must have determined that there is sufficient demand for the differences between them - logos, advance lever, rewind button/crank - to justify producing the two.  

I'm not familiar with Leica production history but did they ever have three different M cameras in production at the same time.

 

Edited October 25, 2022 by Mikep996

[Mikep996]

Yes, sorry, I certainly wasn't clear!   I meant to refer to M film cameras back in the film-only era (pre digital) - so basically up to/including the M7.

Edited October 25, 2022 by Mikep996

[pippy]

Three film cameras simultaneously? Yes.

In addition to the era mentioned by Al (above) there were three versions to choose between 1959 and 1966 when the range featured the M3 (1954-1966); M2 (1958-1966); M1 (1959-1964) which was replaced by the MD (1965-1966).

Philip.

Edited October 25, 2022 by pippy

[Mikep996]

Thanks!  Wow, shows you what little I know about Leica.  I owned/used three different Ms during the pre-digital age and NEVER heard of a Leica M1...until today. 🤔

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[Ouroboros]

14 hours ago, Al Brown said:

This sounds like a load of bulls*it - if one is "working to keep up with rising demand for new film cameras", one would definitely churn out more MPs and M-As because last time I checked the former in black paint is on back order almost everywhere and comes to the stores perhaps once every month (one piece) - IF it does.....

One of my trusted sources says the retired Portuguese fisherman who assembles MP's & M-A's in his spare time is a slow learner.

It's not Leica's fault.

[earthphoto]

As far as I can see it's an MP in a M6 case.  On the "film plate" inside the camera (Sorry, don't know the exact english expression) there are 4 srcrews. The original M6 has none. There where some complains in this forum about scratches on film MP and/or M-A). I don't know if this is because of the screws. I will keep my M6 from 1989. 

Just my two cents