comte de Mazan Posted October 21, 2022 Share #1 Posted October 21, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello, For the new M6 the notice states: " The size of the bright-line frame corresponds to an image size of approx. 23 x35 mm (slide format) at the shortest setting distance for each focal length. At distances under 2 meters, the film captures slightly less than indicated by the inner edges of the bright-line frame, and slightly more at longer ranges." Which logically means that if I frame a portrait less than two meters away, the person will fit correctly inside my frame, but they may have their head cut off in the final photo... I thought that this setting distance for 2 meters is the one chosen for digital M sights. I have an MP and thought the entire final image was within the minimum focus frame of 0.70 meter. Here is what is written on the MP's manual: "Concordance between the image of the film and the viewfinder.,The light frame size represents the shortest focus of an image size of approximately 23 x 35mm for each focal length. At infinity setting, depending on the focal length, approximately 9% (28mm) to 23% (135mm) more is captured by the film than what the corresponding light frame shows." So, would the viewfinder frames of the new M6 be different from the MP? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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UliWer Posted October 21, 2022 Share #2 Posted October 21, 2022 If the descriptions in the technical notes are right, both cameras have different viewfinders Though Leica‘s technical notes are notorious for their mistakes. Often descriptions are copied from technical notes for other cameras and pasted were they don‘t fit. One will have to try oneself or perhaps ask Customer Care for a comment. You find the mail adress on the Leica Website. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adli Posted October 21, 2022 Share #3 Posted October 21, 2022 I would assume they are the same. Does not make sense to make å new view/rangefinder construction. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted October 21, 2022 Share #4 Posted October 21, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, UliWer said: both cameras have different viewfinders Is it not the M10 rangefinder (said to be best ever) and viewfinder. Clue is size of front window. Edited October 21, 2022 by pedaes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danner Posted October 21, 2022 Share #5 Posted October 21, 2022 I notice the M6 Reissue has a 0.73x viewfinder. Doesn't the MP have the traditional 0.72x viewfinder? That could explain the difference? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
logan2z Posted October 21, 2022 Share #6 Posted October 21, 2022 13 minutes ago, Danner said: I notice the M6 Reissue has a 0.73x viewfinder. Doesn't the MP have the traditional 0.72x viewfinder? That could explain the difference? Red Dot Forum lists it at the usual 0.72x. I suspect the 0.73x on the Leica web site is a typo. They also mention Live View in the specs so I'd take their info with a pinch of salt. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock Posted October 21, 2022 Share #7 Posted October 21, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 minute ago, logan2z said: Red Dot Forum lists it at the usual 0.72x. I suspect the 0.73x on the Leica web site is a typo. They also mention Live View in the specs so I'd take their info with a pinch of salt. Leica Technical Data sheet also states that the new M6 has the MP style rewind (Manual with telescopic rewind knob). Too much "cut and paste" I think. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
comte de Mazan Posted October 21, 2022 Author Share #8 Posted October 21, 2022 Thank's a lot for your answers. I really wonder how can such mistakes be made? And for Leica! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted October 21, 2022 Share #9 Posted October 21, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Danner said: I notice the M6 Reissue has a 0.73x viewfinder. Doesn't the MP have the traditional 0.72x viewfinder? That could explain the difference? Yes, if the 0.73 for the new M6 is right and not just a false copy from the sheets for digital bodies. Or they might have changed the finders for the MP and M-A to 0.73 in the meantime since it was introduced for the M10 and don‘t mention it in the sheets. Edited October 21, 2022 by UliWer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted October 21, 2022 Share #10 Posted October 21, 2022 25 minutes ago, comte de Mazan said: I really wonder how can such mistakes be made? And for Leica! They just like it if we detect the faults and solve their riddles. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
comte de Mazan Posted October 21, 2022 Author Share #11 Posted October 21, 2022 At the end of the Instruction Manual, (Technical Data chapter), they write: "Congruence of viewfinder and film image The bright-line frame size is identical to the shortest focus setting for each focal length of an image size of approx. 23x35mm. With a setting to infinity (depending on focal length) approx. 9% (28mm) to 23% (135mm) more of the film will be captured than shown by the respective bright-line frame." So, the same than the MP (and the same viewfinder!). It's an error in the main chapter of the instruction manual. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danner Posted October 21, 2022 Share #12 Posted October 21, 2022 Also note the millimeter crop from 24x36, presumably to allow for slide-mount overlap. Anybody still shooting chrome and mounting slides? I don't think any of this matters one-wit, as there is always do some cropping on the enlarger easel board, LOL. Or, if scanned, in PhotoShop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted October 21, 2022 Share #13 Posted October 21, 2022 8 hours ago, Danner said: Also note the millimeter crop from 24x36, presumably to allow for slide-mount overlap. Anybody still shooting chrome and mounting slides? I don't think any of this matters one-wit, as there is always do some cropping on the enlarger easel board, LOL. Or, if scanned, in PhotoShop. Yes, I still do mounted slides occasionally - something about projected images on a screen., 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted October 21, 2022 Share #14 Posted October 21, 2022 9 hours ago, comte de Mazan said: I really wonder how can such mistakes be made? And for Leica! Because it’s Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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