Jdwol Posted June 7, 2022 Share #1 Posted June 7, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello, Just learning about the Leica lineup. I have a Q. I do prefer to shoot with 35mm and 50mm and getting used to 28mm. But I was wondering, does anyone buy the Q2 with the intention of shooting 35mm. (And 50). I don’t need the full megapixels at 28mm. I like the flexibility and ease of having to carry one camera. But is that a thing? Alternatively I’d go with a M10R, but I’m wondering about this alternative. Thank you. Janet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted June 7, 2022 Share #2 Posted June 7, 2022 35 and 50 mm have plenty of pixels for all reasonable use 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted June 7, 2022 Share #3 Posted June 7, 2022 (edited) And 35 is very near 28. Maybe you come to the conclusion that 28 is fine. My personal favourites are 28 and 50. The Q covers that perfectly. Of course the Q2 offers some more pixels. Here the point might be: Do you look at your pictures just on a screen, an ipad etc. Then there is no worry. Then you mention the M10R. This is a camera that gives you more options with focal lengths: 21mm, 75, 90mm. But no auto focus. That makes a big difference to me. And the Q/Q2 is a wonderful tool to have with you all the time: Always wear a camera (that phrase is not from me but I like it). Edited June 7, 2022 by M11 for me 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted June 8, 2022 Share #4 Posted June 8, 2022 (edited) I have not used the Q, so I don't know what has changed other than the headline specs. I use all crops, but my mindset is still in the place of treating the digital zoom like optical zoom, and trying to crop even further in post. The smallest crop really does not work well if you try to crop it even smaller - the low resolution becomes obvious on screen, though I guess you might be able to print at small size. You can treat the smallest crop as good enough for social media though. And even though you don't want to crop smaller, the digital zoom frame has some value: In post processing raw images, you can reposition and resize (enlarge) the crop; you don't have to get your framing perfect in camera. Framing determines the scope of AF and AE, so if you have bright sky or lights outside the frame, it is ignored when setting exposure - it's a sort of alternative to highlight-weighted metering. For this reason, my default profile has the frame set at 35mm. Edited June 8, 2022 by LocalHero1953 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted June 8, 2022 Share #5 Posted June 8, 2022 6 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said: Framing determines the scope of AF and AE, so if you have bright sky or lights outside the frame, it is ignored when setting exposure - it's a sort of alternative to highlight-weighted metering. For this reason, my default profile has the frame set at 35mm. Interesting - I'd not thought about this as an option. I might experiment 🙂 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almizilero Posted June 8, 2022 Share #6 Posted June 8, 2022 Whenever I try to persuade me that I need the Q2, this is one of the main reasons (and the weather sealing). But at least this is easily put aside. The 24MP of the Q are plenty, so if you cut it down to 35mm it's still a good image quality. I don't use the 50mm option, but I often cut the image in Lightroom to whatever frame I like. As long as I keep a 6-8MP image, that's fine with me for most purposes. As a bonus: The Lightroom Super Resolution feature is quite good. I've tried it on a couple of images and with the image quality the Q produces, the results are fantastic in most cases. Since then, the higher resolution of the Q2 isn't such a great deal anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted June 8, 2022 Share #7 Posted June 8, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 3 Minuten schrieb Almizilero: As a bonus: The Lightroom Super Resolution feature is quite good. I've tried it on a couple of images and with the image quality the Q produces, the results are fantastic in most cases. Since then, the higher resolution of the Q2 isn't such a great deal anymore. May I ask what you mean by "super resolution feature"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almizilero Posted June 8, 2022 Share #8 Posted June 8, 2022 vor 2 Minuten schrieb M11 for me: May I ask what you mean by "super resolution feature"? It's a (relatively) new feature in Lightroom that doubles the resolution of the RAW-file. I think this is the big deal, there are a bunch of similar things (even web based) for JPGs, but Lightroom creates a new RAW-file. It's a bit hidden: Right click on photo (not sure if it works in every view or just in the library view) -> Enhance -> Super Resolution/Raw Details https://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop-lightroom/super-resolution.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clasami Posted June 8, 2022 Share #9 Posted June 8, 2022 vor 36 Minuten schrieb Almizilero: It's a (relatively) new feature in Lightroom that doubles the resolution of the RAW-file. I think this is the big deal, there are a bunch of similar things (even web based) for JPGs, but Lightroom creates a new RAW-file. It's a bit hidden: Right click on photo (not sure if it works in every view or just in the library view) -> Enhance -> Super Resolution/Raw Details https://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop-lightroom/super-resolution.html It might work well with the Q2. It results in terrible checkerboard patterns when used with Q2M files. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted June 8, 2022 Share #10 Posted June 8, 2022 Great thank you. I was not aware of that. BTW I recently bought the Topas group of apps that work as plugin in Lightroom. Just gave it a test: Works well. Have to look what it means against Topas 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted June 8, 2022 Share #11 Posted June 8, 2022 The Q2 certainly has enough pixels for you to use the 35mm and 50mm crop function and still maintain high image quality. The primary difference between doing that and shooting with the M10R and a 50mm is that you don't get the compression effect with the Q2 and thereby miss some of the optical interest and bokeh. I strayed from the M system for a few months after buying a Q2 and Q2M. I found them to be very capable cameras and enjoyed having the macro function, but ultimately I went back to the M because of not being able to achieve the same lens character by just cropping. I also found that there were times when I missed having a longer focal length and to fill that need I picked up a very capable and inexpensive Voigtlander 90mm APO Skopar. The only thing that would pull me back to the Q2 systems now would be if I felt strongly about having autofocus, or if Leica offer a Q2 with fixed 35mm or 50mm lens. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted June 8, 2022 Share #12 Posted June 8, 2022 16 minutes ago, M11 for me said: Great thank you. I was not aware of that. BTW I recently bought the Topas group of apps that work as plugin in Lightroom. Just gave it a test: Works well. Have to look what it means against Topas I have the latest version of Topaz Gigapixel for increasing image size and it is vastly better than the Lightroom super resolution feature. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted June 8, 2022 Share #13 Posted June 8, 2022 Oh I just wondered . . . Thank you very much. Topas is after all Topaz 😇 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdwol Posted June 8, 2022 Author Share #14 Posted June 8, 2022 Fotografr, thank you. I’m not just looking for pixels, I want that lens ‘character’. I’m thinking now to keep the Q and go with M and a lens or two. I think for me there are no shortcuts and that’s ok. Thank you for your response. Thank you everyone who responded. This has been very helpful. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted June 8, 2022 Share #15 Posted June 8, 2022 21 minutes ago, Jdwol said: Fotografr, thank you. I’m not just looking for pixels, I want that lens ‘character’. I’m thinking now to keep the Q and go with M and a lens or two. I think for me there are no shortcuts and that’s ok. Thank you for your response. Thank you everyone who responded. This has been very helpful. By the way, welcome to the Leica Forum. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdwol Posted June 8, 2022 Author Share #16 Posted June 8, 2022 (edited) Thank you. Do you have any recommendations for where to purchase a pre owned Leica? I’m thinking M10R but still learning. I am considering Leica Boston store. Or should I make a new post for this question? Edited June 8, 2022 by Jdwol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted June 8, 2022 Share #17 Posted June 8, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jdwol said: Thank you. Do you have any recommendations for where to purchase a pre owned Leica? I’m thinking M10R but still learning. I am considering Leica Boston store. Or should I make a new post for this question? I'm s member of the Fred Miranda Forum and they have a very active buy/sell section which I've used a lot. Unfortunately, if you're not a member you need to get established with several posts and then pay a modest fee to be able to buy and sell there. A friend purchased a camera at the Leica Boston store and when he returned it a day later because he didn't like it they charged him a 20% restocking fee (this was on an $8000 camera). I've bought several M items from MPB and have found them very good to deal with. Their prices are fair and they include a six month warranty. The Leica Forum classified section can also be a good source, although I've often found our members tend to price used equipment unreasonably high. Leica Store Miami is very reputable but their prices are always at the top of the scale. B&H in New York has some used M10-R bodies now and they are also a very good company. Edited June 8, 2022 by fotografr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdwol Posted June 8, 2022 Author Share #18 Posted June 8, 2022 Thank you. You are just confirming what I’ve thought and I appreciate you taking the time to answer. I’m planning on selling to MPB. They make it so convenient. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravinj Posted June 11, 2022 Share #19 Posted June 11, 2022 (edited) Buying used Leica gear: another vote for Fred Miranda forum ("fmforum"). Have bought/sold a lot of Leica and Hasselblad gear there with no issues. Q2 vs M10-R: I don't see these as either / or. I have both, though I will sell my M10-R when my M11 arrives in a few days. Q2 is unbeatable in my view for size, quality and versatility. Plenty of resolution even when cropped to 50mm. OIS is very good. I wasn't a 28mm fan until I got the original Q and when I saw the images, I was stunned. I would say that for 35mm crops, the Q is stellar. So if that's your use case, I would stick to the Q. I consider the Q2 a 28-50mm camera for most use cases and wouldn't bother carrying any other camera system for that FL range. Edited June 11, 2022 by ravinj 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotium Posted June 11, 2022 Share #20 Posted June 11, 2022 (edited) On 6/8/2022 at 6:15 AM, fotografr said: The Q2 certainly has enough pixels for you to use the 35mm and 50mm crop function and still maintain high image quality. The primary difference between doing that and shooting with the M10R and a 50mm is that you don't get the compression effect with the Q2 and thereby miss some of the optical interest and bokeh. I strayed from the M system for a few months after buying a Q2 and Q2M. I found them to be very capable cameras and enjoyed having the macro function, but ultimately I went back to the M because of not being able to achieve the same lens character by just cropping. I also found that there were times when I missed having a longer focal length and to fill that need I picked up a very capable and inexpensive Voigtlander 90mm APO Skopar. The only thing that would pull me back to the Q2 systems now would be if I felt strongly about having autofocus, or if Leica offer a Q2 with fixed 35mm or 50mm lens. I agree with fotografr here about the lens character. Yes, there are plenty of pixels to crop the Q2 to 50mm field of view, but you absolutely lose the character that you would get using a dedicated 50/2 on an M body, for example. I know this because I've done obsessive side-by-side testing. Cropping is not even close to adequate for what I am looking for. I do use the Q2 and I sometimes crop to 35, but most of the time in post I find that I prefer the 28 mm field of view anyway. So I basically just use it as a fixed 28 (more like 25) mm focal length camera when I have a need for auto-focus. Edited June 11, 2022 by gotium Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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