L-system - Why poor sales?

[Simone_DF]

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it looks like all your prayers have been answered. Sigma is coming out with a 20mm F1,4 and 24mm F1,4 DG DN primes

https://digicame-info.com/2022/07/20mm-f14-dg-dn-art24mm-f14-dg-.html

Translated with Google Translate:

20mm F1.4 DG DN Art
Lens configuration: 17 elements in 15 groups (2 pieces of SLD glass, 3 pieces of aspherical lens)
Number of diaphragm blades: 11 (circular diaphragm)
Shortest shooting distance: 0.23m
Maximum shooting magnification: 1: 6.1
Filter diameter: 82mm
Size: φ87.8 x 111.2mm (E-mount version is 113.2mm)
Weight: 635g (630g for E-mount version)

24mm F1.4 DG DN Art
Lens configuration: 17 elements in 14 groups (1 piece of SLD glass, 2 pieces of FLD glass, 4 pieces of aspherical lens)
Number of diaphragm blades: 11 (circular diaphragm)
Shortest shooting distance: 0.25m
Maximum shooting magnification: 1: 7.1
Filter diameter: 72mm
Size: φ75.7 x 95.5mm (E-mount version is 97.5mm)
Weight: 520g (510g for E-mount version)

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[jaapv]

Nice, but no lens can replace my Summilux M 24 😍

[jip]

5 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Nice, but no lens can replace my Summilux M 24 😍

Hey Jaap, curious what was your reason to go with the 24 versus the 21? I've been thinking about a fast prime for M mount, which can double on SL. Of course 21 and 24 are not the same focal length. But just curious to your decision making here.  

[BernardC]

9 hours ago, caissa said:

Of course they cannot be charged all at the same time. But this is common already: If all hairdryers would be running at the same time we would have an immediate collapse of the electricity grid. (Or think of people cooking at the same time).

There aren't enough petrol stations to fill-up every fossil-powered car at the same time either! 🙂

This is way off topic, but the electricity infrastructure is nothing new, and is evolving. I have electricity at home, as I'm sure is the case for almost everyone who claims that they couldn't possibly charge an electric car. Power requirements are no bigger than air conditioning, or any other large load, and they can be scheduled outside of peak demand. As they say, "it's a solvable problem." Sure, you need some amount of fast chargers for longer trips, but those aren't recommended for day-to-day charging (they wear the battery faster). In most cases, you just need to plug-in your car at home every few days and let it charge slowly while the city sleeps.

[jaapv]

1 hour ago, jip said:

Hey Jaap, curious what was your reason to go with the 24 versus the 21? I've been thinking about a fast prime for M mount, which can double on SL. Of course 21 and 24 are not the same focal length. But just curious to your decision making here.  

I considered the 21, but decided that the  24 was more of a general purpose lens which would see more use. Also, the DOF is more shallow and as I see the unique property of these lenses being the combination of a wide angle perspective with shallow DOF that was another consideration. 

[beewee]

On 7/18/2022 at 11:59 AM, snommis said:

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I just got it as well and I am trying to decide if I want to get into this system or get a Z9 and go mirrorless and continue to dump my Nikon glass completely. This offer has pict my interests even more.

If Leica can release a SL APO 24 before the deal expires, I would be all over it.

[MakinMemories]

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9 hours ago, jaapv said:

I considered the 21, but decided that the  24 was more of a general purpose lens which would see more use. Also, the DOF is more shallow and as I see the unique property of these lenses being the combination of a wide angle perspective with shallow DOF that was another consideration. 

I have to agree, if/when Leica comes out with a wide prime, I would rather the first be a 24mm. Years ago during my first foray into the wonderful world of photography the 24mm was my favorite wide angle and got many times the use of all my other wide angle lenses combined!

[Ivar B]

23 hours ago, jaapv said:

Nice, but no lens can replace my Summilux M 24 😍

For some reason, the Summilux-M 24mm was very difficult to sell so it was taken off the market. I see shops noting that only a little over 4000 units were produced and sold, so this lens may become a future collectible. 

[jaapv]

I’ll have to die first for my sample to be collected 🤪 I understand that it did not sell in great numbers. It is heavy, large (for an M lens) and a less common focal length. And expensive….

[insomnia]

Just ordered my SL2-S with a bit over 25 % discount on current list price: EUR 650 Leica Voucher, EUR 300 additional discount and M/L adapter included.

[oldwino]

On 7/20/2022 at 12:47 AM, Photoworks said:

so you want a zoom that is f 2.0? just like the huge canon ? big and heavy, slow AF and most important no lend IS?

I think you find some Leica and non Leica excellent options in the 2.8 range. there is always a big talk about faster glass, but finding the right compromise between optical quality and size is the challenge.

If you carefully read what I wrote, I made no mention of what sort of zoom lenses I want. 

[oldwino]

On 7/19/2022 at 11:09 PM, PeterGA said:

 

Guess what?

 

 

 

What? 

[oldwino]

On 7/20/2022 at 2:33 AM, Simone_DF said:

it looks like all your prayers have been answered. Sigma is coming out with a 20mm F1,4 and 24mm F1,4 DG DN primes

https://digicame-info.com/2022/07/20mm-f14-dg-dn-art24mm-f14-dg-.html

Translated with Google Translate:

20mm F1.4 DG DN Art
Lens configuration: 17 elements in 15 groups (2 pieces of SLD glass, 3 pieces of aspherical lens)
Number of diaphragm blades: 11 (circular diaphragm)
Shortest shooting distance: 0.23m
Maximum shooting magnification: 1: 6.1
Filter diameter: 82mm
Size: φ87.8 x 111.2mm (E-mount version is 113.2mm)
Weight: 635g (630g for E-mount version)

24mm F1.4 DG DN Art
Lens configuration: 17 elements in 14 groups (1 piece of SLD glass, 2 pieces of FLD glass, 4 pieces of aspherical lens)
Number of diaphragm blades: 11 (circular diaphragm)
Shortest shooting distance: 0.25m
Maximum shooting magnification: 1: 7.1
Filter diameter: 72mm
Size: φ75.7 x 95.5mm (E-mount version is 97.5mm)
Weight: 520g (510g for E-mount version)

This could take some pressure off Leica. They could eventually rebrand these. 

[Torpille]

vor 7 Stunden schrieb insomnia:

Just ordered my SL2-S with a bit over 25 % discount on current list price: EUR 650 Leica Voucher, EUR 300 additional discount and M/L adapter included.

Sounds like a good deal

Where did you order it please?

[sblitz]

I had a 24 and the store in NYC was reluctant to buy it (was swapping for a different lens). They told me 24 was an in-between lens with no real market. Its development came out of need for a 35mm on a crop sensor. With those disappearing, well its not a 21 or a 28. As for the OP, I have the SL2-S and think it is a great camera (I have film Ms) and makes the most sense in a studio where a TTL view has more value (to be at least) -- plus it can be tethered. IQ is great as well ... I have no L mount lenses, I use my M and R lenses on it (even some old screw-mount lenses) and they all deliver. 

[hwilms]

vor einer Stunde schrieb sblitz:

... 24 was an in-between lens with no real market. Its development came out of need for a 35mm on a crop sensor. 

I would not listen to any advice from this store. 24mm is , was, and will be a very popular focal length. "need for a 35mm on a crop sensor" ... bullshit.

[Photoworks]

9 hours ago, oldwino said:

If you carefully read what I wrote, I made no mention of what sort of zoom lenses I want. 

what is the point in mentioning it

"I could believe that Leica finally figured out that the SL lenses are not making them money.  The zooms are really overbuilt and not fast enough for today’s market (right or wrong, people want f2.8 or wider). "

sounds like you want what you can't have... good luck

[MJB]

8 hours ago, sblitz said:

I had a 24 and the store in NYC was reluctant to buy it (was swapping for a different lens). They told me 24 was an in-between lens with no real market. Its development came out of need for a 35mm on a crop sensor. With those disappearing, well its not a 21 or a 28. As for the OP, I have the SL2-S and think it is a great camera (I have film Ms) and makes the most sense in a studio where a TTL view has more value (to be at least) -- plus it can be tethered. IQ is great as well ... I have no L mount lenses, I use my M and R lenses on it (even some old screw-mount lenses) and they all deliver. 

They already have (had?) a 23mm Summicron-TL made especially for the APS-C format...

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[Simone_DF]

11 hours ago, sblitz said:

I had a 24 and the store in NYC was reluctant to buy it (was swapping for a different lens). They told me 24 was an in-between lens with no real market. Its development came out of need for a 35mm on a crop sensor. With those disappearing, well its not a 21 or a 28. As for the OP, I have the SL2-S and think it is a great camera (I have film Ms) and makes the most sense in a studio where a TTL view has more value (to be at least) -- plus it can be tethered. IQ is great as well ... I have no L mount lenses, I use my M and R lenses on it (even some old screw-mount lenses) and they all deliver. 

And yet we have 3 24mm options in L mount plus a fourth allegedly coming in. If Sigma keep releasing them, it means there's a market.

Not to mention that for other brands, 24 is well regarded too, just look at the love the Sony 24mm 1.4 gets.

[BernardC]

13 hours ago, sblitz said:

They told me 24 was an in-between lens with no real market.

I think you forgot to mention that this was an M 24mm lens.

24mm isn't a traditional focal length for the M system, for very simple reasons. 28mm is just about the widest angle that you can see through the viewfinder (depending on your camera's magnification ratio). 21mm has a long history, and usually requires an external viewfinder unless you are good at visualizing a 90 degree horizontal field of view.

24mm is in-between, it needs a viewfinder, but isn't much wider than 28. As you store mentioned, it was popular on the M8, but has been discontinued since.

24 or 25mm on other cameras is a completely different thing. SLRs and mirrorless cameras don't have that awkward step between viewing through the optical finder and requiring a dedicated external finder.