super7668 Posted September 11, 2007 Share #1 Posted September 11, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi, My first post here. I'm thinking about switch from D70 to DRF. Love the compact size and outstanding Leica lenses. However while compare the only two DRF in the world, it's quite difficult to choose from: I love the design of R-D1, like view finder, the classic design, but there's no much point to get a discontinued DC with no support and no future, and poor 6M CCD; Despite the pricey of M8, it can't even change WB without LCD, which I can do almost all setting in my D70 without turn on my LCD. I know nothing is perfect, but I might expect more from Leica. Back to the topic, if I want to get one now, which one should I get? Or is there any news about new DRF from other company soon? Thanks for any input. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 11, 2007 Posted September 11, 2007 Hi super7668, Take a look here M8 or R-D1?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
bradreiman Posted September 11, 2007 Share #2 Posted September 11, 2007 you may tire of not having the bells and whistles of a dslr re;changing white balance etc. .....but if you are interesed in rangefinders and rangefinder type of photography I highly recomend the m8. may as well get the best.....b Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 11, 2007 Share #3 Posted September 11, 2007 ....it's all here, too boring to read for me..............http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45163 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookeye Posted September 11, 2007 Share #4 Posted September 11, 2007 Welcome to the forum, "Super" . . for sure you will get a biased answer here as most of us are M8 users In so far as the RD-1 is discontinued - you will sooner or later run into trouble with spare parts and service. With Leica - you will be assured service and spares for many years to come. If you can get a second hand RD-1 "dirt cheap" and want to play with it just to see if you like using DRFs, then by all means choose that. But I believe you may be wasting your money if you pay close to full price for the RD-1, given the circumstances. Neither camera is perfect. As for the M8 - do not be scared by the many complaints here on the forum. For the great majority of users the M8 is an instant love affair. As for myself, there have been minor issues, but the camera never let me down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
super7668 Posted September 11, 2007 Author Share #5 Posted September 11, 2007 Thanks. I knew I'd go for M8, however I till hope there'll be a better DRF combine both R-D1 and M8. What's reasonable price for used M8? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwelland Posted September 11, 2007 Share #6 Posted September 11, 2007 ....it's all here, too boring to read for me..............http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45163 ah yes ... a triumph of balanced opinion over there indeed Summary: R-D1 folks think we're dumb for buying M8's. Leica folks are, on the whole, very happy with their M8 investments I have/had both and to be honest they're both excellent cameras. If you're not sure whether a DRF is going to work for you then the R-D1 is a fine first investment. It's a great camera. It's just not an M8 ... which is a MIGHTY fine camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 11, 2007 Share #7 Posted September 11, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) ....it's all here, too boring to read for me..............http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45163 Indeed, it was a bit of a washout to begin with but got utterly boring in the end. Bottom line: get the camera you like/ can afford. Both are fine in their class. The only problem is that the RD1 is no longer on the market Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlancasterd Posted September 11, 2007 Share #8 Posted September 11, 2007 The only problem is that the RD1 is no longer on the market New RD1s are still available from Robert White in UK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j. borger Posted September 11, 2007 Share #9 Posted September 11, 2007 Both are excellent .. .... imagewise the M8 is a lot better in the end....BUT ..... the R-D1 gives you most likely better pictures straight out of the box and has a nicer viewfinder. Judging prints up to super A3 ...... in all honesty ....i'ts hard to tell which of the two camaras is used!! That said .... since i have the M8, which is almost a year now, .. my R-D1 stays unused as a back-up in the closet ............. i am just missing the 1:1 viewfinder with single framelines! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacker Posted September 11, 2007 Share #10 Posted September 11, 2007 I would not mind the Epson, no UV/IR issues to deal with. And I believe it uses a D70 sensor . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravastar Posted September 11, 2007 Share #11 Posted September 11, 2007 I would not mind the Epson, no UV/IR issues to deal with. And I believe it uses a D70 sensor . As a matter of interest I've found the R-D1 can have IR problems with tungsten stage lighting. Nothing as blatantly obvious as the M8 but annoying never the less. For most other work it's not a problem. Bob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 11, 2007 Share #12 Posted September 11, 2007 I would not mind the Epson, no UV/IR issues to deal with. And I believe it uses a D70 sensor . The UV/IR situation on the RD1 is only very slightly less than on the M8..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j. borger Posted September 11, 2007 Share #13 Posted September 11, 2007 The UV/IR situation on the RD1 is only very slightly less than on the M8..... Slighly less........ :D I never noticed it for 2 years until i got the m8 where it was obvious from day 1. On the other hand ... i still think IR sensitivity is a non-issue ......... So this would be my least concern making a choice....! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 11, 2007 Share #14 Posted September 11, 2007 On the other hand ... i still think IR sensitivity is a non-issue ......... So this would be my least concern making a choice....! That I agree with for 100 % Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
@bumac Posted September 11, 2007 Share #15 Posted September 11, 2007 There is a IR problem with the R-D1, not as strong as with the M8 but it is there. See my picture. I have changed from R-D1s to M8 and I am happy. It is the better camera. Now problem with the RF going out of spot with the smallest knock on the camera. It is better built and - I hope I never will need it, there is the better CS. Rhe colors from the M8 are really great. The meter works better. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/33184-m8-or-r-d1/?do=findComment&comment=351022'>More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted September 11, 2007 Share #16 Posted September 11, 2007 Owning both I only use the M8 but have to say that its mainly for the following reasons: 1) M8 vignetting correction for wide angels 2) M8 offers framelines for all kind of lenses 3) M8 more resolution / detail (justin case you want top print big However I thought about using the rd1 again more often because: 1) prefer the user interface regarding EV, manual lever, grip 2) quiet shutter 3) maybe (I am not sure this is just a feeling) more easy to get the color I want for skin tones etc. The rd1 just feels more like a mechnical camera compared to the M8. I never edid 1:1 comparison but have made some A4 prints from the rd1 which came out pretty good. cheers, Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 11, 2007 Share #17 Posted September 11, 2007 I've used the M8 for 4 days only personally but i've got as many IR problems with it as with my R-D1 and R-D1s in 2+ years use. Too many black things around me i guess... Now the R-D1 and R-D1s are my favourite cameras over all my M bodies except the M3 but it's just me of course and i can hardly advise buying one of them due to their QC problems and given that they are now discontinued. So if you don't need a 1:1 viewfinder and you don't mind to use IR-cut filters on a rather noisy body (forget it if you shoot in churches or law courts IMHO), i would go for the M8 if i were you but i'd keep in mind that it is a young camera that you could have to return once or twice to Leica like some of our colleagues here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piers Posted September 11, 2007 Share #18 Posted September 11, 2007 I found the RD1s a real disappointment in all except its design and traditional feel in the hand--so if you want to look at it/fondle it rather than use it, get RD1s. If it's excellent image making you want, as long as the M8 is on the market, you will feel you made the wrong decision and end up trading up to M8, taking a hit from wasting the money on the RD1 in the first place. As I've noted elsewhere on this forum, the leica elmarit 28 asph looked like a bad lens on the RD1: soft corners and heavy vignetting--which can only be corrected via software at the expense of extra noise/texture in the corrected area--on the M8 its' like a different lens. The RD1 sensor created a block like pixeleation on the boundary between overexposed highlights and normally exposed areas that was perceptible in an A4 print--I never saw anything like this on the Nikon D70 I had, and the D100 and 200 that I still have. The epson software performed as claimed but produced noisier images than ACR; the colour filtered BW effect settings were particularly noisy and had little more that novelty value except for web or v small prints. Good luck... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boilerdoc Posted September 11, 2007 Share #19 Posted September 11, 2007 Don't forget that using a lens longer than 50mm (75 effective on R-D1) is iffy due to shorter base length. So if you are going to hope to use a 75-90-etc. you need the M8. Hey! Get both! Cheers........ steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 11, 2007 Share #20 Posted September 11, 2007 I've used the M8 for 4 days only personally but i've got as many IR problems with it as with my R-D1 and R-D1s in 2+ years use. Well, if you do IR photography the exposure difference between the M8 and the RD1 is about one to two stops. Certainly not insignificant and maybe just the difference between acceptable and annoying, but not an immense amount either. It would be interesting if somebody could post some shots on the RD1 with and without IR/UV filter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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