IkarusJohn Posted May 24, 2022 Share #1121 Posted May 24, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 3 hours ago, Le Chef said: Is this the famous red herring that lives off the coast of New Zealand? New Zealand? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted May 24, 2022 Posted May 24, 2022 Hi IkarusJohn, Take a look here Leica APS-C -- No more!. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Louis Posted May 24, 2022 Author Share #1122 Posted May 24, 2022 45 minutes ago, rob_w said: Ha, ha! I don't care what the camera looks like but what the photos look like. But I also love to like to camera to use it!... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted May 24, 2022 Author Share #1123 Posted May 24, 2022 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Boojay said: Don't think Canon's offerings are likely to interest you Louis😊, but just goes to show there is life in aps-c yet, Canon coming (maybe rushing) to the market with R7/R10 because of announcements soon to come from the competition. Totally Robert, and as important is the ability to capture your subject, whatever that might be😊. Jayne, I see your point and totally agree with you in regard to apsc. That said; besides the quality of pictures a camera can produce; you must also like having that camera in your hands and enjoy using it! CL is giving me that pleasure every day, for sure... Edited May 24, 2022 by Louis 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Dahl Posted May 24, 2022 Share #1124 Posted May 24, 2022 If it is only the quality of the image and not the “tool” (Leica) that mattered then no more Leica cameras would be sold. Today, most cameras are just as good and perhaps better than Leica. That said, I still have M and TL because they are great cameras and simple cameras like no other above. But grait image quality can also make by my Canon R3 as beautiful as Leica. Both better and easier. There is never anything like Leica. But if you have first tried Canon (mm) auto focus mm. Then it will be hard to go back to Leica AF. But the Canon R10 / 7 is not nice. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted May 24, 2022 Share #1125 Posted May 24, 2022 APS-C as a format is fine and plenty enough for most here, but we are a funny lot us consumers. We buy divers watches that we take off when we have a shower, we buy 4X4 vehicles that only ever get challenged driving over a kerbstone, we buy stuff that does stuff we never use or need just because it's deemed 'better'. 5 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 24, 2022 Share #1126 Posted May 24, 2022 Beauty is in the eye of the beholderhttps://previews.123rf.com/images/sakramir/sakramir1501/sakramir150100007/35997264-camera-valentine-day-concept-creativo-insolito-fotocamera-digitale-a-forma-di-cuore-rosso-con-design.jpg?fj=1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_w Posted May 24, 2022 Share #1127 Posted May 24, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 9 minutes ago, Kim Dahl said: If it is only the quality of the image and not the “tool” (Leica) that mattered then no more Leica cameras would be sold. I'm not in the luxury goods market. I always bought and used Leica because the images were the best. They continued to please me and sometimes amaze me compared to pictures I took with other equipment. But in recent years I am no longer convinced. What you say about others may well be true now. Lens manufacture -- computations, exotic glass, quality materials, modern assembly and testing techniques, have all closed the gap on the artisan care and precision which made Wetzlar unique. Nothing stays the same. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted May 24, 2022 Share #1128 Posted May 24, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Louis said: It seems to be a very capable camera, but… so ugly comparing to elegant shape of CL! 😅 1 hour ago, rob_w said: Ha, ha! I don't care what the camera looks like but what the photos look like. Hah! A little ad/marketing campaign I came up with, for my Commercial Photography class 45 years ago (the instructor insisted we produce finished work, not just photos). Le Chef is in marketing. He may recognize the inspiration: Doyle Dane Bernbach's campaign selling the VW Beetle to the U.S. (Leica content - photo of layout made with M10/75 APO-Summicron) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited May 24, 2022 by adan 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/330064-leica-aps-c-no-more/?do=findComment&comment=4441068'>More sharing options...
Kim Dahl Posted May 24, 2022 Share #1129 Posted May 24, 2022 Hi - yes things are changing. 🙂 I have been a press photographer for 30 years and still am. Before, - Leica was better image quality. My M6 was better than my Nikon. Not so anymore. Therefore, Leica must be something else. I could not do without my Canon in my work. Leica has something with the colors but today where you can do everything in Photoshop then you do not need more than a few sec. to do the same in Photoshop. But honestly I'm still in love with my Leica MD and M9 (but would like to switch it to M11) hi 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chef Posted May 24, 2022 Share #1130 Posted May 24, 2022 1 hour ago, adan said: Doyle Dane Bernbach's campaign selling the VW Beetle to the U.S. I certainly do recognize the inspiration! I worked for DDB for a few years and know how high the bar is set for creative ideas. Quite often telling the truth as you see it is refreshing and more appealing than fudging it. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted May 24, 2022 Share #1131 Posted May 24, 2022 2 hours ago, rob_w said: I'm not in the luxury goods market. I always bought and used Leica because the images were the best. They continued to please me and sometimes amaze me compared to pictures I took with other equipment. But in recent years I am no longer convinced. What you say about others may well be true now. Lens manufacture -- computations, exotic glass, quality materials, modern assembly and testing techniques, have all closed the gap on the artisan care and precision which made Wetzlar unique. Nothing stays the same. To me, but I am a recent Leica user, I am not convinced yet that Leica IQ is best. However, the joy of photography to me is. And honestly, I regret stepping in so late, after my pro career, being an amateur now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted May 24, 2022 Author Share #1132 Posted May 24, 2022 Dear friends, I just had a long conversation with my contact in Wetzlar. They admit that putting a date limit of 6 years or any, for servicing CL was a very bad idea! They will service this camera as long as they have the parts; but of course, they would charge for it!… I get a bad feeling that Leica AG is completely lost in whatever they decide, say or do! What a pity!… 9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tritentrue Posted May 24, 2022 Share #1133 Posted May 24, 2022 6 hours ago, Louis said: But I also love to like to camera to use it!... Sums it up for me, too. Each of my CL bodies has its own Harry Benz strap, reflective of its purpose in my arsenal. One of them is my daily "wearable," which goes everywhere I go even when I'm not purposefully out shooting. But for chasing birds et alia, I don't mind the aesthetic "ugliness" of the R5, and soon the R7, for the reliability in capturing great images of my critter friends. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted May 24, 2022 Share #1134 Posted May 24, 2022 (edited) I’ve never been convinced by the “Leica look”. If there is such a thing, I’ve never chased it. So much is flexible with digital raw files, and I’m begining to wonder if there really is such a thing. That said, I do accept that each image is processed differently in each camera. It’s just that, having selected my cameras, I just deal with their respective outputs. I don’t waste any time or energy wishing the files were something else, or comparing them with others. So, why use Leica? I like the cameras and the user interface I like the lenses Leica’s approach to photography, and much else of what they do, I also like Having looked at a number of camera and lens options, I then try to make the most of what each has. They all have their strengths and weaknesses, and I just live with those. They give me pleasure. I spend no time looking at what other manufacturers are doing, for so long as my cameras do what I want them to do. If/when one of my cameras dies, or I decide it is no longer serving the purpose I want it for, then I will look for a replacement. I bought the T (sold it, primarily because of the EVF black-out) and bought the TL2 as a compact body for my M lenses that I could use with an EVF, and to have one or two AF lenses. This is before the SL was released. I still like it as I like the user interface, and as a compact camera with either a 35 Summilux-M pre-ash or 28 Summaron-M mounted. Edited May 24, 2022 by IkarusJohn 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted May 25, 2022 Author Share #1135 Posted May 25, 2022 1 hour ago, tritentrue said: Sums it up for me, too. Each of my CL bodies has its own Harry Benz strap, reflective of its purpose in my arsenal. One of them is my daily "wearable," which goes everywhere I go even when I'm not purposefully out shooting. But for chasing birds et alia, I don't mind the aesthetic "ugliness" of the R5, and soon the R7, for the reliability in capturing great images of my critter friends. When I leave home: my shoes, my wallet, my watch and my CL are always with me. lol 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxtwo Posted May 25, 2022 Share #1136 Posted May 25, 2022 5 hours ago, Louis said: Dear friends, I just had a long conversation with my contact in Wetzlar. They admit that putting a date limit of 6 years or any, for servicing CL was a very bad idea! They will service this camera as long as they have the parts; but of course, they would charge for it!… I get a bad feeling that Leica AG is completely lost in whatever they decide, say or do! What a pity!… Is this the same guy that you talked into dropping the CL from the product line? 😉 No comment from him about why they can’t compete in the APSC market? Again, looking at the worldwide economic situation, I’m not sure that the low to medium end consumer camera market is going to be profitable for quite awhile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elambo Posted May 25, 2022 Share #1137 Posted May 25, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Louis said: They admit that putting a date limit of 6 years or any, for servicing CL was a very bad idea! They will service this camera as long as they have the parts; but of course, they would charge for it!… Was the 6-year limit announced publicly, or merely stated in the internal memo as a suggested talking point? It's been my assumption that none of what was written there was, necessarily, set in stone. They knew the word would be getting out about the CL's retirement, and had to create guidelines for discussions. And so they did. Maybe I'm behind the times, but I never have seen the 6-year limit mentioned in a public announcement. Edited May 25, 2022 by elambo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Dahl Posted May 25, 2022 Share #1138 Posted May 25, 2022 7 hours ago, Louis said: Dear friends, I just had a long conversation with my contact in Wetzlar. They admit that putting a date limit of 6 years or any, for servicing CL was a very bad idea! They will service this camera as long as they have the parts; but of course, they would charge for it!… I get a bad feeling that Leica AG is completely lost in whatever they decide, say or do! What a pity!… Hi Louis, do you think Leica means both the Leica CL / TL2 camera AND the TL lenses. The lenses will have a much longer "life" because they can be used on SL? Thank you 🤗for you can tell something for - Leica obviously does not think we should know. Leica should be ashamed of themselves Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Dahl Posted May 25, 2022 Share #1139 Posted May 25, 2022 Leica does not announce anything officially. - That's what's the biggest problem. That's what makes them so unbelievable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted May 25, 2022 Share #1140 Posted May 25, 2022 13 hours ago, lct said: Beauty is in the eye of the beholderhttps://previews.123rf.com/images/sakramir/sakramir1501/sakramir150100007/35997264-camera-valentine-day-concept-creativo-insolito-fotocamera-digitale-a-forma-di-cuore-rosso-con-design.jpg?fj=1 That link needs a warning for those of a sensitive nature. I wasn't ready for that. 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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