Leica 21/3.4 Super Angulon on M11

[glenerrolrd]

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Do I understand that the Super Angolan is now usable on the M11 . The elimination of the metering sensor allows it to fit .  Is the metering acceptable ?  More important is the cyan -magneta shading correctable in the camera .  Anyone using it ?  

I am looking for a classic rendering to match more closely to the 35/2 8 element .   No doubt the 21/3.4 Elmar is a much better lens but it has a modern signature .  

 

[UliWer]

 

[shirubadanieru]

2 hours ago, glenerrolrd said:

Do I understand that the Super Angolan is now usable on the M11 . The elimination of the metering sensor allows it to fit .  Is the metering acceptable ?  More important is the cyan -magneta shading correctable in the camera .  Anyone using it ?  

I am looking for a classic rendering to match more closely to the 35/2 8 element .   No doubt the 21/3.4 Elmar is a much better lens but it has a modern signature .  

 

By the way I've used this lens and it's great BUT it has like 4 blades? so the flare (when it flares, and old glass is easy to flare) it looks so weird ahah it's like a square shaped flare, very weird. Other than that it's such an amazing lens. But the f4 lens has proper blades and is beautifully designed as well, you might want to look at that one as well.

[M.RB]

I don't know about the M11 but the Super-Angulon is a great fit if you want a 1960s look to images it captures, and in that way would fit the timeline of the 8 element. It flares fairly easily but I think it's an amazing lens, with its beautiful rectilinear perfection, plus it focuses very close (0.3 or 0.4m I forget) which is essential for such a wide lens imho and the 4 sided aperture makes for some unique highlights in images in a far more pleasing to me way than the horrible 'buzzsaw' that many modern ASPH Leica lenses give.

Personally I think it's a lens that really needs film to show its best - the tones on b&w film can be beautiful, but I'd be interested to see how it looks with an M11 behind it.

Edited February 24, 2022 by M.RB

[adan]

On 2/21/2022 at 5:13 PM, shirubadanieru said:

it has like 4 blades? so the flare (when it flares, and old glass is easy to flare) it looks so weird ahah it's like a square shaped flare

Square-shaped bokeh blurs as well (as much as they matter at all with an f/3.4 21mm).

But in most ways the M11 is the (digital) camera that the Super-Angulons have been waiting 42 years for.

No metering path the lens can block (a problem ever since the M5/M6), shallow-pixel BSI sensor (minimal color staining and other vignetting - although the Monochroms also solved the color issue), ttl-viewing for focusing closer than 0.7m (although the M/M10 could do that also).

And the Super-Angulons do offer quite a bit, in and of themselves: the close focus range, virtually zero linear distortion (thanks to symmetrical design, like the Hasselblad SWC's Zeiss Biogon 38mm), and shorter than the current 21 f/3.4, due to half the glass being inside the camera body.

(I probably shouldn't have said that - the price will just skyrocket like the pre-ASPH 35s ).

[lct]

Anybody knows how the S-A 21/3.4 performs at f/3.4 on the M11? I've been asking on the German forum but haven't got any answer due to my Google translation i suspect. Reason why i ask is the lens works fine on my Kolari mod Sony above f/5.6 (preferably f/8), but below it smears at the corners. 

[ianman]

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11 hours ago, adan said:

(I probably shouldn't have said that - the price will just skyrocket like the pre-ASPH 35s ).

Keep it up by all means. Using a Super-Angulon on an M11 will instantly turn any photographer into Jeanloup Sieff… the models will come flocking and a rocketing career in photography is guaranteed.

BTW I might have a mint one for sale

[a.noctilux]

12 hours ago, M.RB said:

I don't know about the M11 but the Super-Angulon is a great fit if you want a 1960s look to images it captures, and in that way would fit the timeline of the 8 element. It flares fairly easily but I think it's an amazing lens, with its beautiful rectilinear perfection, plus it focuses very close (0.3 or 0.4m I forget) which is essential for such a wide lens imho and the 4 sided aperture makes for some unique highlights in images in a far more pleasing to me way than the horrible 'buzzsaw' that many modern ASPH Leica lenses give.

Personally I think it's a lens that really needs film to show its best - the tones on b&w film can be beautiful, but I'd be interested to see how it looks with an M11 behind it.

Only on the close focus distances of Super-Angulon :

- my Super-Angulon-R 3.4/21 has the closest focus 20cm or 0.2m from film (sensor) plane

- S-A 4/21 or 3.4/21 in M mount close focus to 40cm.

 

[lct]

47 minutes ago, a.noctilux said:

Only on the close focus distances of Super-Angulon :

- my Super-Angulon-R 3.4/21 has the closest focus 20cm or 0.2m from film (sensor) plane

- S-A 4/21 or 3.4/21 in M mount close focus to 40cm.

+1 but the M 21/3.4 does fine at 20cm when using a close focus adapter. Super sharp lens BTW. At about 20cm here.

[Jul]

On 2/25/2022 at 1:08 PM, lct said:

but the M 21/3.4 does fine at 20cm when using a close focus adapter.

I would have thought you could focus closer than that. On the M9 (well any M would work the same) without close focus adapter, just unscrewing the lens from the LTM/M ring two turns I can get closer than 20cm. Here is quick sample from this afternoon as your last message let me wondering how close I could go. My model was not as pretty as yours but you certainly know these little flowers who grow in the shadow. Here is a crop to get a 2480x2480px picture from the original. As you can see, it is shot from very near distance. Super-Angulon 21/4, the unexpected macro lens. I let the willing reader guess how it was focused.

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[lct]

Nice pic. The unexpected macro lens as you say . Another one here. Did you measure from the front lens or the sensor? Just curious.

[Jul]

7 minutes ago, lct said:

Did you measure from the front lens or the sensor? Just curious.

No, I desynchronize the two images in the rangefinder. One on the right side of the rangefinder patch, the second midway between the right side of the 135mm frame and the right side of the 35mm frame. Somewhat hackish but works reasonably well.

[lct]

Joys of the rangefinder .

[chris7273]

I am interested in this lens for my M11 but I wonder if there are color problems on the edges of the photos. 

 

[lct]

1 hour ago, chris7273 said:

I am interested in this lens for my M11 but I wonder if there are color problems on the edges of the photos. 

 

None that i'm aware of. Couple of snaps with M11 and S-A 21/3.4 below. The last pic comes from the M240.

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[chris7273]

WoW. The comparison with the M240 is impressive. Thank you. 

[lct]

Same M11 success with another critical lens, the superb C-Biogon 21/4.5:

 

 

[Carlos cruz]

Anyone tried r version of SA 3.4 on m10? I am ok with Italian flag, love minimum focus of 20 cm, but can’t find any info if it’s mountable via r-m adapter on m10? 

[Alberti]

On 5/24/2023 at 12:13 PM, lct said:

None that i'm aware of. Couple of snaps with M11 and S-A 21/3.4 below. The last pic comes from the M240.

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These pictures blow me away. The roses and dark green leave something to wish for in my pre-M11 camera . . 😘

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[lct]

1 hour ago, Alberti said:

These pictures blow me away. The roses and dark green leave something to wish for in my pre-M11 camera . . 😘

I like those colors too. They come from the M11 profile some colleagues here find terrible due to a so-called magenta cast. Matter of tastes as usual.